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Toukou 08

Mir2

ようこそ、ラスボスのテクニカルサービスセンターへ。
今回は異様にツッコミ所が的確なトウコウが多くて、みんな答えるのに四苦八苦しているわ。質問者にはグッジョヴと言ってあげたいところね。まさにラスボスも裸足で逃げ出す勢いの質問が勢揃いよ。

Welcome to the Last Bosses' Technical Service Center.
Since we abnormally got several Tsukkomi-styled submissions, it was quite a dire distress to reply to everyone. It seemed just like all questioners were wanting us to have cringing faces. So now even the last bosses have joined forces to flee from the burning questions, even if they have to do it barefoot.

Infel1

ホントね。ラスボスも勢揃いだけど。

Indeed. Although even last bosses have to join forces.


三世代のコスモスフィアは13歳ぐらいに構築されるみたいですけどRT発症年齢によってクローシェのように3歳で発症すると構築が早いとか15歳で発症すると13歳は超えてますが即座に構築されず暫く時間が必要とか無いんでしょうか?
後、人工的に創られたオリジンやベータタイプはどうなんでしょう?まあ、オリジンはバイナリ野だから関係無いかもしれませんが実際のところオリジンのバイナリ野、ベータタイプのコスモスフィアの構築はどうなんでしょう?
そういえば、β純血種統合素体もコスモスフィアあるんですよね?
(アーク)

The Cosmospheres of the Third Generations seem to be structured when the Reyvateil reaches around 13 years, but it seems that the Reyvateils that got an outbreak, such as Cloche at age 3, can have it structured much more sooner. It can take up to reaching 15 years to be made? And they wouldn't have any problems without a Cosmosphere at that age, given that's beyond 13 years?
And how about the artificially made Reyvateils such as the Origins and Beta-types? Well, the Origins have the Binary Field as their Cosmosphere, so they might not have anything with this, but around which time the Binary Field of the Origins and the Cosmospheres of the Beta-types are structured?
And by the way, how about the prime field synthesis and Cosmospheres of the Pureblooded β-types?
(Ark)

Shurelia0

第三世代におけるコスモスフィアの形成は、だいたい13歳くらいの時にある程度の固定化を見ることが出来ます。その前に発症する場合…特にレイカさんのように3歳で発症をした場合でもコスモスフィアは存在しますが、13歳程度までの間は大変不安定で、ダイブには適さないと言われています。ですので正確には、13歳くらいの時に安定する、というニュアンスになりますね。 13歳以下でのダイブ行為は、精神が不安定な為、いわゆる「世界」として構築されていない部分が沢山存在する世界になります。そういった所にダイバーが足を踏み入れてしまいますと、ダイバーも理不尽な死を遂げたり、レーヴァテイルも精神に異常を来したりするために危険なのです。
β純血種の場合は6歳相当で誕生し、やはり13歳程度まではダイブしない方がいいと言われていますが、第三世代ほどリスクは大きくないようです。15歳などで発症した場合は、その時点でコスモスフィアは確立しているケースが殆どです。発症と同時に、NEE(レーヴァテイル生命維持機構)によるコスモスフィアのエラー訂正が行われ、全エラー全修復という形でコスモスフィアの書き写しが行われます。これによって人間質とレーヴァテイル質の精神が統合され、矛盾のない人格が形成されます。もっともこれは発症年齢に関係なく行われる事ですが。

About the formation of the Cosmospheres of the Third Generations, they are generally completed and determined as something visible when they reach 13 years old. If they have a breakout before reaching that age... especially in a case such as the one that Reika had at the age of 3 years, she will have a Cosmosphere, but until she reaches 13 years, it will be extremely unstable, and thus not suitable at all for Dives. So then, the nuance is that they will have a Cosmosphere, but it won't get stabilized until they reach the age of 13 years.
If a Dive is performed in a Reyvateil that has yet to reach that age, because of the instability of her mind, the many parts of her mind will exist mingled as a world, but they won't be structured at all into something we would call a "World". If a Diver tries to walk over a place like this, he/she will be highly risking to die in it, and also, to causing grave damages to the Reyvateil and her mind.
As for the Pureblooded β-types, their Cosmosphere is formed when they are born as the equivalent of a 6-year old human, and while it's said that it would be better to not Dive into them until they have reached about 13 years in age, Diving into them isn't as risky as it would be in an immature Third Generation. If a Reyvateil has an outbreak at 15 years old, at that point in time, her Cosmosphere is already completely formed. At the same time the outbreak occurs, the LEM (Life Extending Mechanism for the Reyvateils) tries to correct the errors in the Cosmosphere, and to repair all of them, it has to overwrite it. Because of this, the human part and the Reyvateil part of their minds ends getting fused, structuring her mind in such a way that there are no internal inconsistencies or contradictions. However, this last part doesn't have any relationship to the age in which said outbreak occurs.


々から思っていたんですが、1のラスボス時の、
「シャドウミュール」は、「ウイルス」なんですか?
それとも「憎しみを具現化した唄魔法」なんですか?
受験生だというのに気になって夜も眠れません。
お願いします。br /> (パッパラ)

I have been thinking about this for a long time, but it's the final boss for Ar tonelico 1, "Shadow Mir", a virus?
Or perhaps it's a [Song Magic that manifested Hatred]?
This has been troubling so much, that I haven't been able to sleep.
Please, tell me.
(Pappara)

Mir2

なかなか定義が難しいわね。正解は、どちらでもある存在、といった所かしら。
元々私が創り出している「ウイルス」という存在は、システムとしてはプログラムであり、導体D波による具現化の産物であるわけなのだけど、それを形づくる大元の「想い」では、詩魔法を構築するプロセスと同等のプロセス(導体H波>導体D波変換)を経て創っているわ。まあ要は、乱暴に言えば「詩魔法を元に型を作り、それを量産した物=ウイルス」ってところかしら。もちろんこれはかなり乱暴な言い方だから、例えばサンサンサモンがそのままウイルスになる、という事は難しいわ。
で、シャドウミュールがどういう存在かと言えば、勢いで紡いだ詩魔法的存在でもあり、それを実体化させる為に塔から恩恵を被っている存在でもあるから、どちらとも言える存在ね。要するに、先ほど「難しい」と言った事をやってしまっているわけだけど、大変な力業だから塔に多大なる負荷を掛けてしまったことも事実ね。これは純粋に感情の高まり=H波エネルギーの成せる技という感じね。シャドウミュールは詩魔法として見れば、レベル9詩魔法に相当するものよ。

Well, to define that would be quite hard. But both forms of saying it could be correct.
I was the one that created the "Viruses", and though they are programs in the system, they are still the result of the materialization of Dynamic D-Waves, and since they were shaped by very powerful "feelings", they were structured through the same process that makes up Song Magic (Dynamic H-Wave to Dynamic D-Wave Conversion), and created through it. Well, to put it shortly and roughly, "Everything that was mass produced, using the same method for the Song Magic, are Viruses". Of course, this a very rough way of putting it, and by this same definition, something like SunSun Summon could be also considered as a Virus, which is why I said it would be very hard to define them.
And about what kind of existence could be Shadow Mir, it's a Song Magic-like existence I crafted on impulse, but because it's also something that for getting materialized received the blessings of the Tower, it's hard to say what it actually is. In short, even as "hard" as I could have described it, the fact is that maintaining its existence puts a heavy load on the Tower. That is because the more pure feelings are, the higher the amount of energy that's contained in the H-Waves that makes them up, more or less. If we had to treat Shadow Mir as a Song Magic, we could consider it as a Lv. 9 Song Magic.


音動詞についての質問なのですが、一見したら想母音つきの場合と無想母音の場合との発音の違いが無いように思われる想音動詞が出来上がることがあります(例えば、t.n.とtUn)。
このような場合に発音の違いはあるのでしょうか?
また、無いのだとしたら、どうやって違いを判断―基本的に同じ動詞なので文脈から判断するのは難しいように思われます―するのですか?
ご教授ください。
(ルヴェル)

I have a question about the Emotion Verbs. At a glance, it seems that it's possible to make Emotion Verbs with Emotion Vowels and without Emotion Vowels that have the same pronunciation (for example: t.n. and tUn).
In a situation like this, how can we distinguish the pronunciation?
And in case it's impossible, how we can judge the difference between both? We basically should judge the context in which the same verb it's being used, though that's harder?
Please, teach me.
(Luver)

Infel2

ものすごく微妙な所だけど、例えば「glass(ガラス)」と「grass(草)」は、日本人には殆ど識別できないけど、ネイティブな人達は判別できるでしょ。t.n.とtUnも同じで、前者は「トゥン」であり、後者は「トゥウン」(あるいは「トウン」)なのよ。でも発音すればそれは殆ど同じ。ただ、I.P.D.はそれを認識でき、塔は明確に想いを読み取るから、例え発音がしっかりしていなくても「tUn」を想い描けば塔には伝わる。そういうものなのよ。
ヒュムノスが一般的な言語と決定的に違うところは、発音よりも想いが大事、という所ね。一般的な言語は「人に物を伝えるために、正確な発音を心がけて喋る」ものでしょ、でもヒュムノスは「想い描いたものがヒュムノス語として心の中に生まれ、それを自動的に喋らされている」状態であり、思った者が「tUn」なら、発音がどうであれ、塔には「tUn」として伝わっているのよ。
わかるかしら?

This is pretty difficult to explain, but basically is the same thing as the Japanese being unable to see the differences between words such as "glass" and "grass", which the native speakers of English are able to distinguish. t.n. and tUn are the same thing, with the former being pronounced "tun" and the latter "tuun" (or maybe "toon"). However, when they are pronounced, they sound almost the same. However, the IPDs can recognize each one of these, and because the Tower is able to clearly read their feelings, the pronunciation of something like "tUn" is unimportant when they sketch the feelings they are conveying to the Tower.
You remember that the definite difference that Hymmnos has with the general languages is that the feelings are much more important than the pronunciation, right? The normal languages have the "Keep on mind that for conveying words to other people, you have to pronounce correctly what you say" mentality. However, Hymmnos has the "Let the things you have in your heart be sketched by the Hymmnos language, and let them flow by themselves from your mouth" mentality, so, if the singer thought [tUn], no matter how she pronounces it, the Tower will still receive it as "tUn".
Understood?

ょっと質問です。
シュレリア様の名前はエオリアですよね?
それなのに、なぜシュレリアという名を使っているのでしょうか?
フレリアでも、そのままフレリアなのに…。
(しゃお)

I have an small question.
Lady Shurelia's true name is Eoria, right?
Then, why she keeps calling herself as Shurelia?
While in the other hand, Frelia continues keeping her name...
(Shao)

クニカりましょう~
過去の記事を見ていてふと疑問に思ったのですが、シュレリア様はいつ頃からエオリアからシュレリアと言われるようになったのですか?気になります。
まさか、シュレリアと呼ばれるようになったのは、エオリアと呼ばれるのが嫌になって自分で考えて思いついた名前でしたーとか?
(マイティー)

Let's get Technica~l! I had a little question about the stories of the past of Sol Ciel, and it's: when did Lady Shurelia change her name from Eoria to Shurelia? That has been on my mind for a while.
Could it be that she is called Shurelia because she ended hating the name "Eoria", or something like that?
(Maitee)

Shurelia0

何故か同時期に同じような質問が2点来ましたのでお答えしますね。
第一紀と言われた700年前に、私の生みの親であるエレノがつけてくれた名前がシュレリアです。
エオリアという名前は、いわゆる開発コードネームであり、確かに正式な名称ではあるのですが…。そうですね、言うならば、あなたがロボットを購入したとして、そのロボットの正式名称が「X86」だったとしますよね。でも多分愛称をつけると思うんです。それとおなじ、でしょうか…。

Why I have to answer two similar questions at the same time?
Well, during the period of the First Era, which was 700 years ago, my creator, Eleno, was the one that gave me my name.
The name Eoria was actually a codename that was used during my development, which officially is nothing more than a title... Right, in a way of speaking, it would be the same thing as if you bought a robot, and the model name of it was "X86", but you would like to give to it a name thought by yourself. I think it could be the same thing, or maybe not...?


命剤入手の関係上、ソル・シエールのレーバテイルの大半は教会か天覇に所属しますが、その心配のないメタ・ファルスのレーバテイルはその能力を活かしてどんな職業に就くのでしょうか?
ダイバーズセラピ以外にもレーバテイルにしかできない職業などはあるのでしょうか?
(咲也)

About the methods for obtaining the Life Extending Agent, while the majority of the Reyvateils of Sol Ciel have to be working for Tenba or the Church, in which kind of work the Reyvateils of Metafalss are usually employed, given that they don't have that kind of worry?
And what kind of work the Reyvateils that are unable to do Dive Therapy, do?
(Sakuya)

Luca(adult)2

レーヴァテイルが有利になる職業と言えば…うーん、傭兵とか? あとは治癒師(ヒーラー)と言われる仕事があるね。そもそも、レーヴァテイルの特技が詩魔法とコスモスフィアであるとはいえ、それでなければいけない、というものはあまりなくて、逆にレーヴァテイルだと有利な職場、というと、メタ・ファルスにはかなり多いんだよね。ただそれも適性によって…保育士さんもレーヴァテイルだと有利になるケースがあるけど、それは紡ぎ出せる魔法によって全然有利ではなかったりするし、そういう意味では前述の傭兵や治癒師も同じ。要は、レーヴァテイルの能力はパソコンと同じで、どう活用しているかによってがらりと様相が変わってしまうものなんだよね。

About the job that would be the most profitable for a Reyvateil, that would be... hmmm, as a mercenary? Or also working as a healer. In the first place, the special skills of the Reyvateils are their Song Magic and the existence of their Cosmospheres, without any other characteristics, and on the contrary, there are many possible profitable jobs for the Reyvateils in Metafalss. But their aptitudes for doing so... in which a case could be profitable both for a Vanguard and a Reyvateil, if she can't craft any magic for it, it won't be profitable at all. Such are the kind of cases that could be seen while working as a mercenary or healer. In short, the abilities of a Reyvateil are similar to the ones of a personal computer, but how these abilities are used differ greatly from a kind of job to other.


Mir2

何か粗を見つけても、あまり回答者を突っ込まないでやってあげて。

For some reason, and no matter how much we tried searching for one, none of the responders got Tsukkomi this time around.

Infel5

それでも何か突っ込まざるを得ないと思った人は、イカスギャグを添えてトウコウして頂戴。
それではごきげんよう。

But still, there are some people out there who can't help being Tsukkomi, which is why they adorn their submissions with some smart gags.

Oh, well then. Have a nice day.

Editor's Postscript

Tks header 06

いよいよ10月です。たまに「探さないでください」とか書き置きしたくなる時ってありますよね。
皆さんも身体に十分気をつけて、勉強に、仕事に励んでください! (土屋)

And it's finally October. Sometimes, I wish I could just disappear while leaving behind only a note saying "Don't search for me, please" or something like that.
Everyone, please make sure to continue taking care of your health, and strive to do well in your work and studies!
(Tsuchiya(

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