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Toukou 08

Lyra1

リルラなのだーー!
テクニカルサービスセンター初登場なのだ!!
というか、リルラがテクニカルサービスセンターに出られるなんて、ビックリシアワセなのだー!!
張り切って頑張って回答するのだ!!!

I'm Lyra!
And this is my first time appearing in the Technical Service Center!!
So it means I'm very surprised, but also very happy to be here!!
I'll enthusiastically do my best to answer your questions!!


答えいただけたら幸いです。

唄石について詳しく知りたいのですが、
どうかお教え願えないでしょうか、よろしくお願いします!
(現実世界だと何みたいな物質、等)
(唄石研究員)

If you answer this, I'd be very happy.
I want to know more details about the Songstones,
so please, tell me everything you can about them!
(Such as what kind of substance in our world would be comparable to them)
(Songstone Researcher)

Lyra1

ここはリルラが頑張って説明するのだ!
唄石原石は、普通の石で言うのなら、サファイアやルビーの原石のようなものなのだ。様々な成分の石と「唄石結晶」が混ざって出来ているのだ。そこから特殊な方法で分離をすることで、「グラスノ」「パラメノ」そして「その他の成分」に分離することが出来るのだ。その分離前の唄石結晶というのは、グラスノとパラメノが一対一で両手を結んで結晶化しているようなモノで、パラメノ側成分は常に大気中にある惑星アルシエルの想い(導体H波)や、そこに住まう人々や動物、果ては自分と結合している混合石の想いを常に吸収し続けているのだ。そして、パラメノ=グラスノ結晶は、一定の導力量を導体D波としてグラスノ結晶内に保ち続けながら、パラメノが仕入れた想いの分だけグラスノが導体D波(物質波)として放出しているのだ。
ここで、人間が強い想いで祈ったとするのだ。そうすると、パラメノがとてつもない想いの力(導体H波)を一気に吸収することになるのだ。そうすると、もの凄い勢いでグラスノが導体D波を出力し、そのレベルの導力量ともなると、物質界に何らかの影響を及ぼすことになるのだ。これが、唄石の起こす奇跡の全貌なのだ!
唄石は割ることでもの凄い力を出すことになるのだが、それは「グラスノ結晶とパラメノ結晶の結合崩壊」によるものと、割るときの強い想い、それから石が感じる衝撃が強い想いとなってパラメノ結晶に入り込むからなのだ。結合崩壊に関しては、崩壊することでパラメノ=グラスノ結合が保持している導体H波のエネルギーを保有することが出来なくなって、全てグラスノがD波として放出してしまう事によるものなのだ。
このように、パラメノとグラスノは、それらがどのような形であっても相関関係を保っていない限り、導力を溜め込むことは出来ずに、それは結果として魔法の力としては発揮できない事になるのだ。アルトネリコという塔は、超巨大な唄石結晶とも言えるのだ!

And this where I work hard at explaining things!
If we compare it to normal stones, a Songstone ore would something kinda like a sapphire or ruby ore. They're formed by several elements mixed up with "Songstone Crystals". And by separating them through a special method, you can get "Grathnode", "Parameno" and "the part between them". A Songstone Crystal in its original form is like a crystal made from a mix of Parameno and Grathnode, and the Parameno part's always absorbing the feelings (Dynamic H-Waves) of Planet Ar Ciel that float in the atmosphere, and also the feelings of the people and animals living it, and the feelings of the other elements that form the crystal aside of it. And since it's a Parameno-Grathnode Crystal, it can keep a certain amount of Symphonic Power as Dynamic D-Waves inside the Grathnode Crystal part, so the Grathnode part can release as many Dynamic D-Waves (matter waves) as the Parameno part has absorbed feelings.
That's why the humans used to pray to them with strong feelings. When they did that, the Parameno part'd absorb their ridiculous power of their felings (Dynamic H-Waves) all at once. And it'd then release powerful Dynamic D-Waves from the Grathnode part, emitting a Symphonic Power level that can even affect the material world somehow. That's the full picture of the miracles caused by Songstones!
And you can break a Songstone to release lots of power, but that's because when you "break a combination of Grathnode Crystals and Parameno Crystals", the stone feels a strong shock at the time of its breaking, which turns into strong feelings that the Parameno Crystal absorbs. And since it's a combination of both, the Parameno-Grathnode combination wouldn't be able to continue keeping the Dynamic H-Wave energy inside itself due to being broken, so the Grathnode part'd release it as D-Waves all at once.
And if the Grathnode and Parameno parts don't keep this interplay, they won't be able to store Symphonic Power no matter what shape they take, so they wouldn't be able to manifest it as magic power in the end. That's why we could say the Tower of Ar tonelico is like a super-gigantic Songstone Crystal!


いに疑問に思ったんですけど、ミミミの中には不完全とはいえインフェルと同調している『中核三角環』が有るわけですよね?

じゃあ仮にソレが残っているとして、それを元に『ベータ純血種』の『I.P.D』を創りだす事は可能ですか?
(ババンゴ売り)

This is something I just thought up, but didn't Mimimi have an incomplete "Triangular Nuclear Loop" inside it that was synchronized to Infel?
If it was still intact, would it be possible to use it as the basis for an "IPD" "Pureblooded Beta-type"?
(Babango Seller)

Infel0

不可能ではないかも知れないけど、ちゃんとしたレーヴァテイルになるかどうかは疑問ね。私自身、グラムルがミミミの中に入れた中核三角環が、どの程度の完成度であったかはわからないし、それを調べる手だてはないから。それに、中核三角環があっても、培養槽やDセリファンなどがあって初めてレーヴァテイルになるのであって、更に言えば、この中核三角環だけのミミミは、I.P.D.とも言えなければA.T.D.(アルトネリコ依存体=従来のレーヴァテイル)ともいえない存在なのよ。なぜなら、I.P.D.なのかA.T.D.なのかはDセロファンが定義することであって、中核三角環はレーヴァテイル本体の生命力を司っているだけなのだから。

It might not be impossible, but it's doubtful it would even become an actual Reyvateil. I personally don't know how complete the Triangular Nuclear Loop that Grammul put into Mimimi was, but it's because I had no ways to investigate it.
And besides, even if we had the Triangular Nuclear Loop, we would still need other elements like a D-Cellophane and a nurturing tank in order to make it into a Reyvateil, so Mimimi with only that Triangular Nuclear Loop is a kind of being we couldn't call either an IPD or an ATD (Ar tonelico Dependent, or traditional Reyvateil). This is because the D-Cellophane is what actually determines if they will be IPDs or ATDs, while the Triangular Nuclear Loop just controls the life force in the body of the Reyvateil.


の、アルトネリコ1で高所恐怖症者の天敵の「キャットウォーク」の名前の由来を教えてください。

(燕寧)

Umm, please tell me the reason behind the name of the "Catwalk" in Ar tonelico 1, which is the natural enemy of the people with acrophobia.
(Tsubame Nei)

Leard0

簡単なことだ。「キャットウォーク」でインターネットで検索してみればいい。ビル建設現場などで高所に足場があるだろう。あの足場の事をキャットウォークと呼ぶのだ。

It's very simple, and maybe you'd do better to search for the definition of "catwalk" in the internet. There are scaffolds in the higher areas of places like building construction sites, correct? These scaffolds are usually called catwalks.


回のテクニカで、塔の影響圏外に出た場合、サポートが受けられない、とありますが、知識としてヒュムノス語を覚えてない場合ヒュムノス語が理解できなくなるんでしょうか?(以前塔のサーバーが変換するから心で理解できる、といった記事を見た記憶があるので・・・)

(ニレ)

In a previous issue of the Technical it was said that if they left the effective range of the Tower, they wouldn't be able to receive its support, so would they also become unable to understand the Hymmnos language if they didn't consciously learn it? (I remember seeing an article stating they could understand it instinctively because the Tower's server did the translation for them...)
(Nire)

Adult Misha5

無理ね。ご推察の通り、影響圏外に出たらヒュムノス語を心の中で紡ぐことは出来なくなるわ。そして、ヒュムノス文字を見ても、何も感じることが出来なくなるのよ。もちろん知識として覚えている場合は別だけど。そもそもβ純血種やオリジンは、塔の影響圏外に出たときの動作保証は無いのよね。オリジンは徐々に動きが鈍くなり、終いには停止してしまうみたいね。β純血種はどうかしら。第三世代は普通の人間と同じになるだけみたいよ。

They couldn't. Just as you guessed, once they leave the Tower's range, they won't be able to craft words in the Hymmnos language inside their hearts, and they won't be able to feel anything when they look at writing in Hymmnos. Of course, it's a different story if they actually learned it. But anyway, it has never been verified that Pureblooded β-Types and Origins can continue moving outside of the Tower's range. It looks like the Origins would become slower and ultimately stop completely though, and I wonder what'd happen to us Pureblooded β-types. As for the Third Generations, they'd just become normal humans.


ャクリのコスモスフィアの第六階層でアヤタネが、「母さんにしてみれば、ダイバーズセラピなんて…」と言ってましたが、ミシャも第一階層は自分で作ってましたよね?

ジャクリやルカは経緯がありますけど、ミシャには特にないですよね、コスモスフィアを作り替えられるような経緯は?
意外とベータは全員出来たりするものなんですか?
(ハーモニ)

In Jakuri's 6th Cosmosphere stratum, Ayatane said that "what Mother does is similar to Dive Therapy...", but didn't Misha make up the first stratum to her Cosmosphere too?
We've got the details on how Jakuri and Luca did it, but we have nothing in special about how Misha remade her Cosmosphere, right?
Does that mean that all Betas can actually do it?
(Harmony)

Child Misha5

うーん、人によるかな。
知識的な面も必要だし、後は訓練もある程度必要かも。訓練、なんて言うと、すごく大変そうに聞こえるけど、意識して夢を操作できるかどうか、という感覚と似てるから、そんなに大層なモノじゃないわ。要するに寝ているときに「あ、コレは夢だ」と思いながらも夢は夢で勝手に進行していき、それを夢だと思って眺めていたり、自己判断で行動を変えたりするのと同じかな。そういう事が出来る人と出来ない人がいて、そんな感じで素質も大きく左右するかもしれないわね。だから、β純血種なら誰でも出来る訳じゃないし、第三世代には難しい、というわけではないわ。

Hmm, I think it varies from person to person.
You might need some knowledge and also some training to pull that off. About the training, I've heard it's pretty rough, but it wasn't that difficult to me, since it feels like being conscious during a dream and being able to manipulate it. In short, it's similar to when you think "Ah, this is a dream!" while you're asleep and then you can do whatever you want during it, so when you know it's a dream, you can change it entirely to be whatever you want. There are people that can't do that though, so the level of control they can exert may depend a lot on their personality. So that means that not all Pureblooded β-types can do it, and that it isn't necessarily hard for Third Generations to do it.


イブ行為による肉体への影響について質問です。

69回では「最悪は脳死」とあり、70回ではダイバーが死亡するケースが挙げられてましたが、レーヴァテイル側にも同様の危険性はあるのでしょうか?
ゲーム中では、ダイバーの行動によってレーヴァテイルの精神世界が大きく動揺し、果ては崩壊、それが現実世界にも影響して本人の感情が不安定になるケースがありましたが、それが行き過ぎればやっぱり死亡する可能性もあるのでしょうか。
もちろんそれらを一括管理するダイブ屋さんの安全管理は大変厳重なものであると以前にも説明がありましたが、クロアじゃありませんが、そう考えてみると踏み込むのが大変怖いです……。
(仲村)

I've got a question about how the act of Diving can affect the body.
In issue #69, it was said that "the worst outcome would be cerebral death", and in #70 it was said that there were cases of Reyvateils being arrested due to the death of the Diver, but wouldn't it be every bit as dangerous for the Reyvateils too?
In the games, the Soulspaces of the Reyvateils end up having large quakes from the actions of the Divers and end up collapsing, so I was wondering... it's possible that there were any cases where that ended causing emotional instability to the Reyvateil in the real world and even went as far as overdoing it enough to kill off the Reyvateil?
Of course, we were told before that the safety regulations of the Dive Shopkepers that control the entire act are extremely strict for that to not happen, but since I'm not Croix, it'd be terrified from even thinking about taking a step into someone's Soulspace...
(Nakamura)

Luca(adult)0

レーヴァテイル側にもやはり危険はあるよ。ダイバーの場合、ダイバー自身の精神レベルとレーヴァテイルの意識の相対差によるものだから、レベルが高くても低くても危険性はあまり変わらない。それに比べてレーヴァテイル側の危険性は、レベルが上がっていく、すなわち精神の深いところに介入されるときほど大きくなっていくんだよね。それは、精神の深いところ…すなわち深層意識には、その人の行動の根幹があると言われていて、それを変にいじくってしまったりすると、その人がその人である理由…いわゆるアイデンティティが崩壊してしまう危険性があるの。ただ、レーヴァテイルの場合「脳死」や「肉体死」といった生理学的な死亡はあまり事例が無くて、どちらかと言えば呆けてしまったり、急に暴れ出して手がつけられなくなったり…といった、精神に異常を来す状態になることが多いかな。
まあでも、そういった事故は、着実に1レベルずつしっかりと心を通わせて進んできた二人の間ではあまり起きることが無いのと、80%近くのダイバーとレーヴァテイルは、レベル6程度までしか行かないから、レーヴァテイル側の精神に異常を来すほど深層意識にまで入り込むケース自体が少なくて、殆どの場合においてレーヴァテイル側の被害はあまりない状態だったりするよ。

Of course it's dangerous for us Reyvateils too. In the case of the Diver, the way the Dive will proceed depends on the relative difference between their mental level and the Reyvateil's consciousness, so the risk won't change much regardless of how high or low the level they've reached is. As for the risk for the Reyvateil, it's comparatively than the one for the Diver, as the higher the level, the deeper inside her mind the Diver goes, so they would be able to intervene her mind at a much greater level. These deep areas... or better said, the deep psyche is also called the very root of the actions of a person, so if it's tampered with in a weird way, there's the risk that the reasons that make that person what they are... their very identity, could end up crumbling away. However, there have been next to no cases of physical death like "bodily death" or "cerebral death" for the Reyvateils, but instead they would get mentally slow, or could suddenly start acting in an uncontrollable violent way... sorta, as that could cause all sorts of mental disorders.
But well, that sort of thing usually never happens to couples that allow their hearts to connect steadily, one level at a time, and 80% of the Reyvateils and Divers never go past Level 6, so the cases in which a Reyvateil ended suffering from mental disorders from someone getting into their deep psyche are very rare, so we could say that almost no Reyvateils have gotten harmed from doing Dives.


Lyra1

面白かったのだ?読み返してみると、リルラの回答が一番長いのだ…。ちょっと気合いを入れすぎたのだ!
次回も出演できるように、これからも頑張って勉強するのだー!

Was it interesting? Now I reread it, my answer was the longest one... I put too much spirit into it!
I'll do my best at studying from today on, so I'll be able to show up next issue too!

Editor's Postscript

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最近、色々な御意見を頂けるようになりました。毎回のトウコウスフィアでも、コレが面白かった!というものから、コレはまずいだろ!というモノまで、色々な御意見を頂きます。本当に嬉しい事なのですが、それと同時に、本当にトウコウスフィアを毎回楽しみにしてくれていて、真剣に考えてくれているんだなぁと思い、感謝の気持ちで一杯になります。御意見を頂ける方も、毎回楽しみに見に来ていただいている方も、本当にありがとうございます。ついにアルポータルも3年目に突入します。今後とも変わらずのお付き合いをよろしくお願い申し上げます! (土屋)

We have received all sorts of opinions lately. From ones saying that "this issue was the most interesting out of all the Toukousphere ones!" to ones saying "this sucks!", we've really received all kinds of them. It makes me very happy, but at the same time, they make me think that if you truly have enjoyed all the issues of the Cosmosphere, I can only think more seriously about how to improve it and give you all of my gratitude. I'm also very thankful to everyone out there that have sent us their opinions, and to those that look forward so much to seeing the next issue. And so, the Ar Portal Third Anniversary has finally come upon us. I hope we can continue always having fun together from now on!
(Tsuchiya)

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