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歳の妹がポムクッションすごく気に入ってました。
(流月)

My four year-old sister has liked the Pom Cushion a lot.
(Flowing Moon)

Adult Misha4

確かにそれくらいの歳の女の子が好きそうなデザインよね。
私も可愛くて好きよ。

It's true that it has a design that girls around that age would like.
And it's pretty cute, so I like it a lot too.

Jakuri1

けどその4歳の妹は、それがPG12指定のゲームに出てくるキャラだということを知らない。

But that little sister surely doesn't know that it's a character appearing on a PG-12 rated game.

Adult Misha9

ポム自体はPGとかそういうの関係ないんだからいいのよ!

Pom itself is okay because it has nothing to do with PG-rated things!


Lady Shurelia and Jakuri's Technical Service Center

Toukou 08
Jakuri5 さて、自称十六歳!
まずはこれらのトウコウを見なさい!

Okay, Self-Proclaimed 16 Year Old!
First, take a look at these submissions!

Shurelia2 きゅ?

Kyu?

ょっと遅いですが、あけましておめでとうございます。

早速質問なのですが、前回ジャクリ母さんが体重が変わったと言っていますが、オリジンとβ純血種は第三世代と違って人間質が無いので飲食の必要が無いと以前言っていたと思うのですが=飲食によるエネルギー供給がない=新陳代謝がない=体格、容姿が変化しないものだと思っていたんですが・・・
前回シュレリア様も容姿は変化しないと言ってますが、多少の変化はあると言うことでしょうか?
考えられるとすれば、「食べたから肉がつく」という思い込みが中核三角環が謳う詩に何かしら影響を及ぼす、プラシーボ効果的なものでしょうか?
(ニレ)

It's a bit late for this, but Happy New Year.
Now for a quick question, Mother Jakuri answered in a previous issue a question about the change in body weight of the Reyvateils, where she said that Origins and Pureblooded β-Types don't need any water or food because they don't have human natures, but then I thought that if they don't receive energy from food, they have no metabolism, which means their appearance and physique shouldn't change, but...
The previous issue, Lady Shurelia said that her physique didn't change, so does she mean it CAN change?
No matter how much I think about it, I'm assuming that maybe the "if they eat, they'll gain weight" comes from the Song of the Triangular Nuclear Loop receiving some kind of influence, or it's actually more like some kind of placebo?
(Nire)

回のトウコウスフィアで非常に気になったので質問させていただきます。

シュレリア様って体重の増減てありえるんですか?
だってシュレリア様はオリジンで、アルトネリコと結線しているじゃないですか。
てっきり外部からの栄養も本来は不必要で、食事は嗜好の意味で行っているものだとばかり思っていたのですが・・・・
(ヤマト)

I decided to ask about something that bothered me a lot from the previous Toukousphere.
Is it possible for Lady Shurelia to gain or lose weight?
Lady Shurelia is an Origin, and thus she is hardwired to Ar tonelico, right?
I'm completely sure that by nature, she needs no outer nourishment and that eating food is just because she likes doing it, but then what did that mean...?
(Yamato)

回トウコウスフィアのテクニカルサービスセンターにて、シュレリア様が気になる発言をしておられましたが…

>お陰でまた3kg程痩せましたよ。
これは以下のうち、どの真実を示唆しているのでしょうか。
1)シュレリア様は正月前に冬ごもりの準備に入り、体重が増加する。
2)もともと貧相な胸が、ますます平らになっている。
3)リンケージで見かけの体重を減らしている。
4)現実は非情である。オリジンの体型・体重が大きく変わることはない。
(きむら秀一)

During the Technical Service Center of the previous issue, Lady Shurelia uttered something that bothered me a lot.
"And thanks to that, I was able to lose 3 Kg." So which one of these would you suggest it's true?
1) Lady Shurelia began preparing to hibernate right before New Year, and she gained weight.
2) She originally had a thin chest, and it ended becoming flat.
3) She loses weight in comparison to when she wears her Linkage.
4) Reality is heartless. The appearance and weight of the Origins never undergo large changes.
(Kimura Shuuichi)

ュレリア様……正 月 太 り で す か !?

っていうかご飯喰わなくても生きていけるよーな存在が太るって。お菓子とか食べ過ぎちゃいけませんよ?
(kou)

Lady Shurelia... got fat from New Year's!?
So that means it's possible for an existence that needs no food or drink to live to get fat? Did she eat too many sweets or something?
(kou)

Jakuri5

あなたが前回テクニカルサービスセンターのラストで軽率な発言をするから、世間は大パニックじゃない!ちゃんと責任とって事情説明しなさい。

Because of that irresponsible remark you made in the previous Technical Service Center, you've thrown society into a great panic! Make sure to take responsibility and explain things at once!

Shurelia5

ええっ!?責任って…私はただ、年頃の少女らしい発言をしただけですよ?

Huh!? Take responsibility... but why, if I just said something a girl of my age would say?

Jakuri5

貴方が言うのが問題なのよ。オリジンの体重や体格が代謝で変わるなんて聞いたこともないわ。
私の方からフォローしておくと、オリジンやβは基本肥ったり痩せたりという事はないから。

The problem is precisely what you said. I've never heard anything about the Origins having a metabolism or their weight changing.
And if you're following what I say, it means that neither the Origins nor the βs can get fat or slim down.

Frelia1

というわけで、今回も張り切っていってみよう!

And so, we'll try going in with all our enthusiasm this issue too!


59回のテクニカルで、ジャクリが生まれて数年の軟禁生活を語っていましたが、レーヴァテイルにとって感情が無いってどんな状態なのでしょうか。何かに対する意識や、人間に服従するように調整されてるとか?

でも、そこまで徹底した服従プログラムを作るなら逆らった時になんらかの罰も仕込んでいそうですし、何かに興味を持つ、という感情に気づかない人間なんてそうそういないでしょうし、戦争を起こすさらに前である、生まれたばかりミュールはどんな状態だったんでしょう?
実は、感情が芽生えいるのを知ってる人間がシルヴァホルンに監禁=ミュールを守る措置等、考えたとか・・・
レーヴァテイルの感情を操作するような段階の科学者がレーヴァテイルの感情に疎いって少し考えにくいんですよね。
(グロック・ホワイト)

In the Technical of issue #59, Jakuri said that she was kept confined for several years after she was born, but what kind of condition was it for her to be a Reyvateil who had no emotions? What kind of mentality did she have? Or was she tuned to become subservient to the humans?
But while it seems that having such a thorough obedience program made to then backfire on them was some kind of divine retribution, what catches my interest is the fact that the humans didn't seem to notice she had developed emotions, and I'd like to learn more too about how Mir was right after she was born until right before the instant she started her war.
Actually, I was thinking that the humans who knew that Mir was developing emotions had confined her to the Sylva Horn as one of several ways to protect her, but...
It's somewhat hard to think that scientists who had gotten to the level of controlling the Reyvateils' emotions would be so ignorant to the way they develop emotions.
(Glock White)

Jakuri0

当時のネオ・エレミアがどんな感じで私を管理していたかは、アルトネリコ2の私のコスモスフィアで明かされているから、詳しくは私のコスモスフィアで体感して欲しいところね。
とはいえ、せっかくトウコウしてくれたのにこの回答は酷いと思うから、簡単に事情を説明するわ。
まあ、政治には良くある話よ。分かっていないのは官僚と政治家だけ。研究者達は試行錯誤して化学的波動的手法で感情の発露を食い止めようとしたけど、そんな事で止まるわけがないということは分かっていたみたいね。
もちろん、外からの刺激に対して鈍感になることで、正確無比な詩魔法を謳うことが出来る(精度が上がる)事は正しいわね。更に言えば、外的刺激を遮断しつつ、心の内には強い想いや感情が渦巻いているほど、詩魔法の力は増大するわ。
当時の政権は、感情のないレーヴァテイルが成功したと明言してしまった為に、それを覆すことができなかった。だから、研究者に無理矢理にでもそれに近い形を作らせて、国民を騙していたのよ。
研究者の一部では、構想初期に既に「感情の発露を妨げることは出来ない」、という結論を公表していたそうだけど、いつの世も政治家の決定は絶対だったみたいね。
まあ、私を誰も見えないところへ隔離していたのは、当然「いつ感情が顕在してもおかしくない」状態だったために、それを隠蔽するための措置という事になるわね。
政治って大変ね。

The ways that the Neo Elemia of the time controlled me were revealed in my Cosmosphere in Ar tonelico 2, so if you want more details, you might want to experience them directly in there.
But as ending my answer in this way would be awful after you took the time to send this question, I'll explain my circumstances in a simple way.
Well, it's a nice story about politics. For those who don't know what that is, it's the work carried out by bureaucrats and politicians. Apparently scientists were carrying out trial and error experiments to suppress the manifestation of emotions through mental manipulation carried out through wave science and chemical methods, but they soon found out that completely stopping their development was impossible.
Of course, it was true that if they could have made a Reyvateil that was completely insensitive to external stimuli, she'd be able to sing Song Magic with an unparalleled accuracy (in other words, her precision would increase). To further explain this, the more she is isolated from external stimuli, the stronger the powerful emotions and feelings that swirl inside her mind, which amplifies the power of her Song Magic.
Because the politicians at the time made the statement that they had successfully created an emotionless Reyvateil, they were unable to overturn that declaration later on. Therefore, they forced the scientists to make me as close as possible to that idea, which means they deceived their people.
It seems part of these scientists had already made public that they had come to the conclusion of it "being impossible to keep me from manifesting emotions" during the initial stages of the project, but the decisions of the government were absolute, like it always has been in all stages of history.
So well, I was locked up in a place where no one could ever see me, and that was to keep me hidden because naturally, I was in a state where "it wouldn't be odd for me to start manifesting emotions at some point".
Politics are always such a disgusting mess, huh?


一期の2932~2968にかけて建設された原初の塔について質問です。・・・質問というか、原初の塔っていわゆるなんなのでしょう?原初の塔や、アルトネリコ(第一塔)完成後にそれぞれ始まっているサービス、「公共音波網SONATA」と「広域音波網SONATA」の類似性から言えば原初の塔もアルトネリコ同様の魔力増幅塔なのでしょうか?

(YYY)

I've got a question about the Tower of Origin that was built between years 2932 and 2968 of the First Era... The question is, what was the Tower of Origin exactly? And after the Tower of Origin and Ar tonelico (First Tower) were completed, they each had their own services started: the "Public Soundwave Network SONATA" and the "Regional Soundwave Network SONATA", and since they are so similar, I was wondering if the Tower of Origin was just like what Ar tonelico is: a magical power amplification Tower.
(YYY)

Shurelia0

簡単に言えば、原初の塔はアルトネリコの試作機みたいなものです。山梨県にある中央リニアエクスプレスの実験線といえば、分かりやすいかもしれません。
原初の塔は、アルトネリコの基礎的な部分の研究をするために創られた塔で、塔自体が出来ることは「導体H波の吸収>変換>増幅>導体D波の放出」というシンプルなものでした。
それによって出来たことは、雨を少し降らせたりする程度だったそうです。大がかりなシステムの割に出来たことは些細なこと、と思われるかもしれませんが、この些細なことが現在の変幻自在な詩魔法の原点であり、基礎なのです。
これが出来た時点で、「想いの具現化」という詩魔法のプロセスは、70%完成していたといっても過言ではありません。
粒子加速器があれだけの巨大な施設を必要としても、やっていることは原子を衝突させてクオークなどを取り出している、という社会実用性にほど遠い研究であるように、原初の塔がやっていたことも、そういった社会実用性にほど遠い基礎的研究だったんです。
ちなみに、「公共音波網SONATA(原初の塔)」は、主に導力のエネルギー的利用についてがメインであり、現実で言えば電力供給に近いものでした。第三紀での具体例としては、照明やドアの開閉などのような利用方法です。
ですので「広域音波網SONATA(アルトネリコ)」は、原初の塔のSONATAを包含しつつ、レーヴァテイルを中心とした「想いの具現化、物質化」といった、第二世代の導力利用をサポートするサービスという事になります。

To put it simply, the Tower of Origin was like a prototype for Ar tonelico. Maybe it'd be easier for me to say it was like the test track for the Chuo Shinkansen that is located at the Yamanashi Prefecture.
As the Tower of Origin was a tower built for researching the fundamental functions of Ar tonelico, it only could carry out the simple function of "Absorbing Dynamic H-Waves > Converting them > Amplifying them > Outputting them to Dynamic D-Waves".
But the extent of the miracles it could carry only went as far as causing a small localized rainfall. You might be thinking that the fact it could only do something like that is trivial in comparison to the large size of its systems, but these trivial miracles were the point of origin for the phantasmagoric Song Magic we can use now, its entire basis. It wouldn't be an exaggeration to say that the process of "manifesting feelings" that Song Magic constitutes had been completed to around a 70% by the time this became possible.
Similarly to how particle accelerators require extremely large installations for only causing atoms to crash into each other and produce quarks, and it is a kind of research that is very far from becoming of practical use to society, the Tower of Origin was a very basic kind of research that was very far away from being of practical use to society.
By the way, the "Public Soundwave Network SONATA (Tower of Origin)" has as its main role making Symphonic Power into a useful kind of energy, so we could say it was very similar to a power distribution facility. As concrete examples of its usage in the Third Era, we have illumination and being able to automatically close and open doors.
As for the "Regional Soundwave Network SONATA (Ar tonelico)", it ended becoming a second generation Symphonic Power support use service that included the SONATA from the Tower of Origin and had at its core the "manifestation and materialization" of feelings of the Reyvateils.


来、IPDには心の護はいないそうでうが、コスモスフィア内でのダイバーのナビはどうなるのでしょうか?

ノーヒントであの世界をクリアし続けなければならないのですか?
(咲也)

It seems that IPDs have no Mind Guardians by nature, so how would someone who Dived into them navigate their Cosmospheres?
Wouldn't they have no other option but to keep on clearing that world without any kind of hints?
(Sakuya)

Frelia0

結論から言えばそういう事になるよ。
そもそも心の護は「ヒントをだす人」って訳でもないし、場合によっては進行を妨げたり無関心だったりすることもあるから、一概に協力者とはいえないしね。
後は、ヒロインがダイバーを心底拒絶している場合は心の護もダイバーを頑なに拒絶するし、ナビ的な事を考えれば助かることもあるけど、実は心の護のせいで思うようにダイブ出来ない事もそれなりにあることなんだよ。
だから、I.P.D.に心の護がいない事は、ナビはしてもらえないけど拒否力も弱まっているということになって、レーヴァテイルにとってはメリットもデメリットもあるってことだね。
ダイバーにとっても、どっちがいいかはダイバーによる、って事になるかな。

That's what they'd have to do.
Mind Guardians are not necessarily "hint givers" in the first place, as depending on the situation they might be hindering the Divers from advancing or being apathetic to them, so they aren't all cooperative.
And if the Reyvateil refuses to let the Diver into the depths of her mind, the Mind Guardian will obstinately refuse to help them, so while you might be thinking they can be helpful to navigate through the Cosmosphere, actually there have also been cases in which Divers couldn't keep Diving into the Reyvateils because their Mind Guardians didn't allow them to.
Since IPDs don't have Mind Guardians, Divers don't have anyone who helps them in navigating the Soulspace, but that also weakens the rejection ability of the Reyvateil herself, so being a type of Reyvateil has both merits and demerits to it.
Maybe the choice of which one they prefer more would be left to the Divers themselves too.

イキリティをデュアリスノ結晶みたいにして体内に入れることはできないんですか?

(延命剤投与のシーンを親族に聞かれてかなり恥ずかしい思いをして何度言ってもいやらしいシーンではないと信じてもらえずパッケージを見せてもエロゲだと思われて変態だと思われて軽蔑されたシュレリア様を心から愛し永遠の忠誠を誓った地球外生命体のA)

Can't Diquility be used without inserting it into the body like the Dualithnode Crystals?
(Extraterrestrial Life Form A Who Pledged Eternal love from the Bottom of his Heart to the Scorned Lady Shurelia Because She was Thought to be Part of an Eroge by his Relatives when They Heard the Life Extending Agent Scene and Thought it was a Dirty Scene, and He Couldn't Convince Them of the Opposite by Showing Them the Cover Art)

Frelia0

そもそもダイキリティは、波動荷浸透方式でやっても意味がないの。
なぜなら、いわゆる「インストール」「デュアルストール」というのは、「体内の整った波動に指向性の強い(癖のある)強力な波動を当てることで、想いを変形させる」事が目的であって、外的な力を加えることが出来ればどんな手法であっても成立する事なんだよね。
でもダイキリティによる延命剤の投与は、「継続的に導力を発し続ける」事が目的だから、常に「発信源」が身体と共に存在しないといけないってことになる。
デュアリスノ結晶を用いる「波動荷浸透方式」は、極端に強い導力を当てることで、ある程度の期間体内の導力の指向性形状(=想い)を変形させるという事を行っているわけで、強い力で想いの力を変形させているって感じ?
だから、継続的に導力を放出しているわけではないから、ダイキリティには応用できないわけ。
ちなみにインストールは微弱な高指向性(変形性)導力を常に出し続ける事で、継続的に体内の導力の指向性形状(=想い)を変形し続けているという理屈で作用していて、こちらの場合ダイキリティ投与と同じ理屈を使っているんだ。
でも「やり方が似ている」けど「作用する効能も目的も全然違う」わけ。
薬で例えると少し簡単に説明できるかも。
ソルシエールでは、「胃薬も風邪薬も白い錠剤を飲む」のが常識だとするね。逆にメタファルスでは「風邪薬はお腹に塗る」「胃薬は白い錠剤を飲む」のが常識だとするよ。
それに対して「メタファルスでは風邪薬はお腹に塗るんだけど、同じ理屈で胃薬もお腹に塗る方法で治せるんじゃない?」と言っている感じになるかな。

Using Diquility for the Wave Payload Osmosis Method is meaningless in the first place.
The reason for this is that the goal for "Installs" and "Dualstalls" is "to transform feelings through the application of strong waves with a powerful directionality (that have a certain tendency) upon the arrangement of the waves contained in the body". So when you are able to gain additional power from an external source, you end up establishing any methods for it you can, right?
But since Diquility is to be applied as a life extending agent and its goal is "keeping the continuous flow of Symphonic Power", it's necessary to always make the "source" for it exist with the body.
We could explain the "Wave Payload Osmosis Method" used by the Dualithnode Crystals as changing feelings through a great power, as by applying extremely strong quantities of Symphonic Power, they change the directionality of the Symphonic Power (feelings) inside the body for a certain period of time.
Therefore, since this method isn't used for the continuous release of Symphonic Power, it can't be applied to Diquility Installs.
However, this is just because "the method for doing it is similar", but "its general efficacy and goals are completely different".
Maybe I could explain it a little more easily if I use examples taken from medicine.
In Sol Ciel, it's typical to "take white pills as stomach medicine and cold medicine". On the other hand, in Metafalss it's typical to "smear cold medicine on the stomach" and "take white pills for stomach medicine".
So doing what you just said would be more or less like saying "they smear cold medicine in their stomachs in Metafalss, but wouldn't they heal better if they applied that same principle and smeared the stomach medicine in their stomachs?"

めまして。

さっそく質問ですけど、ずばり、インフェル達がSUBLIMATIONを謳っていることををジャクリ経由でシュレリアに伝えて、それでオリカやミシャにPAJAを謳わせれば、SUBLIMATIONを止められるのではないでしょうか? まぁ、出来たとすればストーリー的にまとめずらそうではありますが。
(hella)

Pleased to meet you.

While a bit fast, I'll boldly ask this question: couldn't the party have relayed to Shurelia through Jakuri that Infel and Nenesha were singing SUBLIMATION, and make Aurica or Misha sing PURGER in order to stop SUBLIMATION? But well, maybe that could have left the story incomplete if they could have done that.
(hella)

Jakuri0

PAJAという詩は、「デジタル生命体(=導体D波(導力)によって具現化した物体)を、その供給元の導力照射を絶つことによって、再生、復帰、変形などを出来なくし、また長時間その形状を維持できなくする」事が目的よ。
SUBLIMATIONはヒュムノス詩で、それを謳っているのは「デジタル生命体」ではなく、れっきとした「レーヴァテイル」だったわよね。この場合、PAJAの導力遮断は意味を成さないわ。
それとも、止めたいのは詩ではなくて「龍樹」ってことかしら?確かに龍樹自体はPAJAで弱めることは出来たかも知れないわね。でも、あの状況下でそこまで頭はまわらないし、そもそもオリカやミシャは龍樹を見ることが出来ないからターゲットを厳密に指定出来ないのよね。
だからどのみち、オリカやミシャでは無理だったという結論に達するかしら。あの場にいた私がPAJAをダウンロードしていたら、使えば少しは戦況が楽になったかもしれないって所かしらね。

The Song PURGER has the goal of "cutting off the exposure to the Symphonic Power supply to a Digital Life Form that took physical form due to Dynamic D-Waves (Symphonic Power), which leaves it unable to revive, escape or change; and if kept for a long period of time, makes it unable to maintain its form".
As for the Hymmnos Song SUBLIMATION, the ones who were singing it weren't "Digital Life Forms", but were bona fide "Reyvateils". In this case, the Symphonic Power cutoff effects of PURGER would have been useless.
But well, while it couldn't stop the Song, what about "Ryuju"? Certainly it's possible that PURGER could have weakened Ryuku itself, but under that situation I couldn't think things through. And since Aurica and Misha couldn't see Ryuju, they wouldn't have been able to designate it as their target for the Song in the first place.
So no matter how, you'd still come to the conclusion that it'd have been impossible for Aurica or Misha to do anything. However, it's possible that if I had Downloaded PURGER when I was in that place and used it, it might have made the battle a bit easier.


Jakuri0

そろそろお正月気分を抜かないとね。

And the New Year mood is slowly slipping away.

Frelia3

ずっとお正月なら毎日寝たりお餅食べたり出来るのに、残念。

If it always was New Year, I could sleep in everydas and eat mochi. Too bad.

Shurelia2

そうですよね。ずっとお正月なら、ずっと歳を取らずに若いままでいられますしね。

That's right. If it always was New Year, I could always stay young and not get even a year older.

Jakuri2

あなたたち、思いっきりお正月ボケしてるわね。
シュレリアなんか、自分が思いっきり年齢にコンプレックス抱いてるの自爆しているようなものじゃない…。
バカなこと言っていないで、次回から本格的に活動するわよ。

You're both full-fledged New Year's idiots, huh?
The complex you've got about your own age seems like a pretty self-destructive obsession, Shurelia...
Stop saying stupid things and begin working seriously from the next issue.

Editor's Postscript

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お正月早々体調を崩してしまい、さい先良くないスタートを切ってしまいました…。が!これは「今年一年気を引き締めていけよ!」という自分からのヒントだと思って、身体に気をつけながら頑張っていきたいと思います。
アルトネキャラの皆さんは元気一杯ですから、私も彼らからエネルギーを沢山もらっています。皆さんも、トウコウスフィアを見ることで少しでも元気になれる事を願っています! (土屋)

I got sick right as New Year came and I didn't show any signs of getting better at the start... However! I considered this as a hint from myself that said "Brace Yourself For This Entire Year!", and thus I decided I want to keep doing my best while taking care of myself.
The Ar tonelico characters are all brimming with energy, so I'm sending a lot of energies from both them and myself to you. I wish you all can also cheer up, no matter how slightly, just from reading the Toukousphere!
(Tsuchiya)

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