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Toukou 08

Frelia1

こんにちは!テクニカルサービスセンターの時間だよ!
今日は私の番だから、私がゲストを呼んでイッパイ説明するからね。
ゲストはもちろん!

Hi! It's time for the Technical Service Center!
Today's my turn, so I'll call our guest and begin explaining many things.
And our guest is of course...!

Shun0

…僕が役に立てるかわからないが、フレリアのためなら頑張るよ。

...I don't know how much of a help I'll be, but I'll do my best if it's for Frelia's sake.

Frelia1

ありがとう!
今回も興味深いトウコウがたくさん来ているから、二人で一緒に頑張ろうね!

Thanks!
A lot of very interesting submissions came in today, so let's do our best together!


投稿です!さっそくですが、オリカさんのパージャとミシャさんのパージャでは、曲調?が違うのはなんででしょうか教えてくださいおねがいします!
(rekusyon)

This is my first submission! So let's get to it: why do Aurica's Purger and Misha's Purger have different melodies? Please tell me!
(rekusyon)

Frelia0

えっとね、基本的にヒュムノスっていうのはヒュムネクリスタルの中に「想い」が詰まっているだけであって、「詩」が詰まっているわけじゃないんだ。だから、同じ想いを元に違う人が作曲をしたら全然違う曲になるように、ヒュムネクリスタルをダウンロードした人によって詩が違うのは普通の事なんだよ。でもそこにこめられた想いは同じだから、同じような効果として発動するんだよ。
一つだけ例外があって、ファンタスマゴリアみたいな詩の場合はクリスタル同士に予めリンクをかけておいて、詩の想いを共有するような『シンクロナイザー』というプログラムを入れておくの。それによって同じ詩を謳う事が出来たりするって感じなんだけど、ファンタスマゴリアの場合は3人にダウンロードされたそれぞれのクリスタルの中にシンクロナイザーがプログラムされていて、その部分に関してのみ精神を共有出来るようになってるんだよ。これはコスモスフィアのLV9よりも奥にある深層意識を使っている技術だそうなんだけど、今ではそれをプログラム出来る人は殆どいないんだって。
合体メタファリカの場合は…メソッド側ヒュムネクリスタル(=インフェルスフィア)にシンクロナイザーが入っているのかな。私にはちょっとわかんないや。

Hmm, basically it's because there isn't an actual "Song" contained within the crystal, as it actually contains the "feelings" for that particular song. So similarly to how different people would end up making completely different songs from the same base feelings, it's normal for a Song to be different depending on the people who received the Download for it. However, since the feelings composing them are still the same, these Songs will still invoke the same effects.
There's just one exception to this, which is for Songs like Phantasmagoria in which the people who Download it are planned to link together, so a program called a "Synchronizer" is added to them in order for the singers to share the same main feelings. Thanks to this is that while it seems all the singers have made and are singing the same Song, in Phantasmagoria's case each of its three singers are utilizing the Synchronizer that was programmed in the crystal they Downloaded to be able to share only the parts of their minds that have to do with the Song. This is a technology that makes use of the deep psyche that is located even deeper in than the Lv. 9 of the Cosmospheres, so there's almost no one that can program it.
As for the combined Metafalica... I think a Synchronizer is also put in the Hymn Crystal for the METHOD part (the Infelsphere). However, I don't really know much about it.

Shun0

まあ、そういう事かもな。インフェルスフィアというのは、どうやら異なる詩魔法サーバーに所属する2人の意識をチェインする役割もあるらしい。それがインフェルスフィアの目的として語られることは無いが、とても重要な要素であることは確かだ。
まあ、実際の所どうなのかは、設計者に聞いてみないと判らないけどな…。

Well, that might be the case. After all, apparently the Infelsphere has the purpose of somehow chaining the consciousness of two people that are connected to entirely different Song Magic Servers. It has never been said that this is the purpose of the Infelsphere, but it's undeniable that it serves as a very important element to the process.
However, we might never know how it actually works unless we actually try asking the designer herself...


レリア様のテクニカルサービスセンター宛です。自分独りで考えててもワケ解かんなくなっちゃうんでトウコウします。
世の中のRT、つまりオリジン、β、第三世代、そしてI.P.Dに区分けされた中の第三世代、I.P.Dについてなんですが、この二種の判別はI.P.D側の発症しかないんですよね? そうなると、第三世代がI.P.Dに変異した瞬間は誰にも(本人ですら)判らないまま潜在的I.P.Dになる、ということですか?そして単純に疑問なんですが、生まれながらのI.P.Dというのは存在しますか?
以上です。 フレリア様、頑張って下さい!
(true)

This is for Lady Frelia's Technical Service Center. No matter how much I think about this by myself, I can't get it, so that's why I'm sending it.
Among the Reyvateils in the world, we have them divided in Origins, βs, Third Generations and IPDs, but can IPDs only originate from the Third Generations and IPDs? If that's the case, that means that there are potential IPDs, which are Third Generations no one knows when they'll turn into IPDs (aside of the person herself)? And while this might be a very simple question, are there any IPDs that are that by birth?
That's all. Please tell me, Lady Frelia!
(true)

Frelia0

えへへ、応援されちゃった!ありがとう!
それで第三世代とI.P.D.なんだけど、そもそも「第三世代として発症」>「I.P.D.に変化」という事はないの。第三世代は発症時からずっと第三世代だし、I.P.D.は発症時からずっとI.P.D.なんだよ。
詳しくは設定資料集に書かれているけど、I.P.D.は発症しても必ずしもすぐに暴走するわけじゃないんだ。発症時に大きな不安や恐怖がつきまとうとその瞬間暴走しちゃう事がよくあって、それをI.P.D.発症って言っているんだけど、実際には暴走しなくてもI.P.D.発症している子はたくさんいるってわけ。
ただそれが第三世代なのかI.P.D.なのかを見分ける術は詩魔法を紡いで謳ってみる事しか無いから、詩魔法を紡げるようになるまではわからないよね。仮にそこでわかったとしても大抵はパートナーがまずそれに気づくことになるし、そのパートナーが大鐘堂に引き渡す事って滅多にないよね。基本的に発症していないI.P.D.は第三世代のふりをしてもらって、不幸にも発症してしまうその日まで周りの人はわからない、って事が多いんだ。だから一般的には「I.P.D.」は病気と思われていて、なかなか真実は伝わっていかないみたい。

Ehehe, they're rooting for me! Thanks!
Well then, I'll begin by saying that something like "a Third Generation awakening as a Reyvateil" and then "turning into an IPD" never happens. A Reyvateil who awakens as a Third Generation will always be a Third generation, and a Reyvateil who awakens as an IPD will always be an IPD.
The details about this are written in the setting materials collection book, but even if an IPD awakens as a Reyvateil, that doesn't necessarily mean she will have an outbreak right away. It's just that there are very high chances of her having an outbreak as she awakens due to the great fear and anxiety this causes to her, and while everyone says that an IPD outbreak happens when an IPD awakens, there are also many girls who awakened as IPDs without going crazy.
Still, since there is no other way to distinguish a Third Generation from an IPD aside of seeing when they are trying to craft Song Magic, it's impossible to know for sure until they try doing so. And for argument's sake, I'd that generally their partners are the first ones to notice when they are IPDs, and it isn't unusual for them to turn them over to the Grand Bell. Since non-berserk IPDs act very much like Third Generations, unfortunately it's the norm that the people around them never notice what they are until they have an outbreak. Therefore, since typically "IPD" is considered as a disease, it doesn't seem like the truth about them has been spread to the society.


っても聞きにくいんですが・・・
オリジンの方々は子供をつくれるんでしょうか?
(T.S)

This is very difficult to ask, but...
Can the Origins have children?
(T.S)

Frelia5

えっと…うーんと、それは…どうなのかな?瞬ちゃん。わかる?

Umm... hmm, I... wonder about that. Do you know, Shunny?

Shun3

このネタを僕に振るのか!!!
…さあ、僕にはわからないが…。まあ、つくれたら…いい…よな… …とは思うが。

You're making me answer this kind of question!?
...But I don't know either... but if we could have them... it wouldn't be so... bad... I think.

Frelia4

そうだね!そしたらとってもかわいい赤ちゃんを作れるもんね!
でも、どうやって作るのかな?

Yeah! If we did, we'd end up having a very cute baby!
But how can we make one?

Shun3

…もうこれくらいで勘弁しておいてくれないか…。

...Could you let me off the hook with this question, please...?


問ですが、ハイバネーションを行うと人々の精神は肉体から離脱して、インフェル・ピラのメモリと一体化するんですよね?そこで思ったのですが、これの上位とも言えるネネシャとインフェルが行おうとしたサブリメイションでは一体どこまでが精神体へと移行するのですか?私的にはムービーで空が暗くなっていて、世界そのものに影響しているように思えました。
 またサブリメイションによって精神体へと移行したらどこへいくのですか?どうか教えてください><
(ゲロシゴスリッパ)

I've got a question: when used, Hibernation is supposed to detach the minds of the people from their physical bodies and unify them inside Infel Phira's memory, right? But now I think about it, how far would the people transmigrate into spiritual forms once Infel and Nenesha executed Sublimation, which is said to be a higher rank of Hibernation? I personally thought that this was having an effect over the world itself due to how the sky was darkening in the movie.
And first of all, where would the spiritual forms go once they were transmigrated by Sublimation?><
(Geugo Slippers)


Shun0

君の言うとおりだ。サブリメイションは世界昇華と言っているが、まさにこの世界自体に影響するもの。作中では精神体に移行すると言っているが、厳密には「精神体に移行」という言葉は正確ではない。要は我々の住むこの「3次元世界」を2段階アップし「5次元世界」にしてしまう、というのがサブリメイションの趣旨なわけだが、3次元体ではなくなる為に、いわゆる物体としてのボディを認識しなくなる、というのが正しい言い方だ。厳密には肉体は持っているわけだが、物体をあらゆる方法ですり抜ける(回避する)事が出来るようになる為、物体同士の衝突が意味を無くす、そして3次元認識センサーである「目」が意味を成さなくなるため、結果として「物質体を失う」という言い方が一番妥当になってくるというだけの話だ。まあ、この辺の次元論を話し始めるとトウコウスフィア一本分の文章量では済まなくなってくるから、この辺にしておこうと思う。
そういう意味では、精神体をAD変換してインフェル・ピラに格納する「ハイバネーション」とは、全く似て非なるものである事は確かだ。あと、サブリメイションは星全体を昇華するものではなく、当然ながらアルトネリコ(塔)の力が及ぶ範囲内のみであり、その結果が上で述べた5次元理論の通りの世界を構築するとは限らない。要は実証されていないから、その先はブラックボックスというわけなのさ。

It's as you say. While Sublimation is said to be the sublimation of the world, it actually affects this world itself. On the game it was said to carry out a transmigration into a spiritual form, but strictly speaking, "transmigrating into a spiritual form" isn't an accurate way of describing it. In short, the correct way of putting it would be that we would be ascended into the "Fifth Dimension World" that exists two stages above the "Tridimensional World" in which we live, so Sublimation's goal would be making us lose consciousness of our material vessels as bodies because we would stop existing as tridimensional beings. Strictly speaking, we would still have our bodies, but since we would be able to slip through matter in all sorts of ways (avoid it), clashes between two material objects would completely lose their meaning, and since our "eyes" wouldn't be able to make sense of it due to being tridimensional sensors, it wouldn't be inexact to say that in practical terms, we would "lose our material form". Well, we have started touching the topic of theories on the dimensions, and since that isn't something that can be explained fully in a few lines of a Toukousphere issue, I think we should leave it here for now.
By the way, the "Hibernation" that performs an AD conversion on the spiritual forms and lodges them in Infel Phira is actually a falsely similar process to Sublimation. And Sublimation wouldn't actually sublimate the entire planet: naturally, it would only affect the areas covered by the range of Ar tonelico (the Tower), but the world that would be created from its effects wouldn't have limits, according to the Fifth Dimension theories. But since these theories or their effects have never been proven, the actual effects of it are like a black box at this point.

Frelia4

わぁ、瞬ちゃんって凄い物知りだね!
ちょっとキュンと来ちゃった。

Whoa, Shunny's a walking dictionary!
I feel a little charmed...

Shun0

フレリアだって、僕が知らない色んな事を識っているだろう。
それはお互い様だ。

And there are many things you know that I don't, Frelia.
That goes for us both.


1では、調合は、グラスメルクって呼ばれてましたが、2では、調合だけで、グラスメルクとは呼ばれてませんよね。これは、1と2では調合の種類が違うってことなんですか?
(ヴぁる)

Synthesis was called Grathmeld in 1, while in 2, it's called just synthesis and thus the Grathmeld name isn't used. Are there two different kinds of synthesis in 1 and 2?
(Val)

Frelia0

グラスメルクって確か、お姉ちゃん(シュレリア)が設計したシステムだよね?あのシステムは実効範囲がホルスの翼全域+αくらいの範囲だから、メタファルスでは使えないよ。グラスメルクの定義は「グラスノ結晶を製作物に混ぜることで、グラスノ結晶の法則性をシルヴァホルンが認識し、それに応じた力をその物質に対して影響させる」ものなんだ。だからグラスノ結晶がバーコードのような働きをして、「この物質にこういった力を付けてくださーい」ってシルヴァホルンにお願いしているって事なんだよ。
メタファルスの調合は、そういった特殊な効果が外から入ってくることはないから、普通に工作だったり料理だったりといったもので、だから「調合」って呼ばれているってわけ。わかったかな。

Grathmeld was a system Sis (Shurelia) designed, right? That system only has a range that covers the entire Wings of Horus plus a little of the areas around them, so it isn't used in Metafalss. The concept of Grathmeld is "By mixing in Grathnode Crystals on manufactured items, the Silver Horn can recognize the natural laws of the crystals, making it is possible to give them effects corresponding to their materials". Therefore, the Grathnode Crytsals work as barcodes, which ask the Silver Horn "Please, give this material this power!"
The synthesis used in Metafalss can't add in special effects from external materials like Grathmeld can, so it's just normal manufacturing and cooking, and that's why it's called "Synthesis". Got it?


Frelia1

今回は瞬ちゃんと一緒にお仕事できて楽しかったよ!

It was so fun because you came today, Shunny!

Shun1

ああ、僕も久し振りにたくさん喋った気がする。
誘ってくれてありがとう。

Yes, it feels like a long time since I last talked so much.
Thanks for inviting me.

Frelia3

あーあ、毎回瞬ちゃんと一緒だったら、もっと楽しくテクニカるのになぁ。

*sigh*... Getting technical would be so much more fun if Shunny was with me all the time.

Shun3

…フレリア…。
その言葉は少し毒を含んでいるように聞こえるが…気のせいか?

...Frelia...
I think I heard some venom in these words you said... or was it just my imagination?

Editor's Postscript

Tks header 06

今回はテクニカルセンターなどが結構濃い話になってしまいました。あまり濃くなり過ぎると全員が楽しめるモノではなくなってしまいがちなので、なかなかその加減が難しいところだな、といつも思っています。誰もが楽しく読めるモノにしたいですからね。
次回のトウコウスフィアの頃には、このトウコウスフィアの集大成である「アルトネリコファンブック」が発売されていますね。1回目から読んでみると、すっかり忘れていることばかりでとても楽しいですよ。皆さんも是非お手元に1冊、アルポータルをいかがでしょうか?それではまた次回! (土屋)

This issue's Technical Center was pretty deep. If it ended getting any deeper, I think it could end up sucking out all the fun for the staff members, so that's why I'm always thinking how difficult things can get. After all, I want to make things that everyone can read and enjoy.
By the time the next Toukousphere comes, the "Ar tonelico Fanbook" that serves as the compilation for the Toukousphere itself will be released. If you read it from the first issue, you'll surely have again a lot of fun you've forgotten. How would you like to have a copy of the Ar Portal in your hands? Well then, see you next issue! (Tsuchiya)

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