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Toukou 08

Shurelia2

皆さんこんにちは。テクニカルセンターのお時間です。
このコーナーは、4年半近くの時をずっと皆さんと共に過ごしてきた、おたよりコーナーの次に長寿のコーナーでした。それだけ皆さんがソルシエールの事を熱心に勉強してくれたという事に他なりませんよね。
皆さんがソルシエールについて詳しく知りたいと思う気持ちが、この世界を支えてきたと言っても過言ではありません。
後2回になりますが、最後までよろしくお願いしますね!
きゅっきゅっ♪

Hello, everyone. It's time for the Technical Center.
Over the course of four years and a half, we have spent many enjoyable times with you all in this corner, which was the longest-lived part of the Toukousphere after the Question Corner. And this is all because you passionately studied everything you could about Sol Ciel.
In fact, it would be no exaggeration to state that it was your curiosity and wishes to know more details about Sol Ciel that which supported this world itself.
We only have two more issues before the Toukousphere ends, so I hope you will continue supporting us until the very end!
Kyuukyuu♪



から疑問だったのですが、EXEC_with.METHODとEXEC_over.METHODはどこが違うのでしょうか。また、こういう形のヒュムノスは、レーヴァテイル一人で謳うことは可能でしょうか。

(04)

I think this was asked before, but what is the difference between EXEC_with.METHOD and EXEC_over.METHOD? And can Hymmnos with these formats be sung by a single Reyvateil?
(04)

Infel0

withとoverの違いは、ズバリ、処理方法の違いよ。
withの場合、execとmethodが互いにプロセスを分担し合い、対等に持ちつ持たれつで処理を行っているの。だから、片方が欠ければ致命的に詩の効力は無くなってしまうわね。
overはそれとは違い、元々execのプログラムがあり、その上でmethodを引っ掛けて一部機能を書き換える、という処理を行っている。良く言えば「パッチ」で、悪く言えば「クラッキング」ね。
どちらにせよ、EXEC_SUBLIMATON/.という詩に対し、methodプログラムを上書きしている事には間違いないから、ハッキングしている事には違いないわ。
そういうわけで、withは正当な設計、overはパッチだと思えば間違いないわ。

The exact differences between "with" and "over" are the ways in which they are processed.

In the case of "with", the processes from the EXEC and METHOD parts are each allotted a part of the execution and are processed under the principle of equivalent exchange. Therefore, if one of the parts are missing, it could cause the Song to lose its effects in potentially lethal ways.
On the other hand, "over" works differently: it's a process in which an originally EXEC program is taken and a METHOD program is put over it to overwrite part of its functions. It could be described in favorable terms as "patching", and in unfavorable ones as "cracking".
In any case, it's unmistakable I took a Song called EXEC_SUBLIMATION/. and applied to it a METHOD program to overwrite it, so it's definitively hacking.
So in short, it wouldn't be wrong to think that "with" Songs are planned in advance to work like that, while "over" Songs are the result of a patching process.



ウコウスフィアが最終回と聞いてびっくりしました!!

って訳で最後にトウコウFINALに送ろうかと思いましたが、これだけは是非とも知っておきたいんで、(多分既に質問したんですが、結局トウコウが答申されなかったんで…)質問します。
ココナさんの変装グッツ(?)の1つに声を変えるキャンディーが有りましたがコレの効力ってどの位なんでしょうか?
劇中の描写も観る限り一回食べたら結構長持ちしている印象が有るですが…。
(sasurainohito)

I was very shocked to hear the Toukousphere would be getting to its final issue!!

Or so I was going to say upon thinking this was going t be the actual Final Toukousphere, so I wanted to ask this no matter what (though most likely it's been asked already and I won't get a reply back...)
Cocona had a voice-changing candy among her disguise goods (?), but how long do its effects last?
From how it was portrayed in the game, it seemed like a single dose could last for a very long time...
(sasurainohito)

Cocona(13yrs)1

だいたい1日半くらいかな。
みんなが見ているのはココナが飲み忘れたときだけだから、以外と持つように見えるけど、だいたい1日半に1粒ずつ舐めてたよ。
でも、冒険していると時間の感覚を忘れちゃって、たまにうっかり戻っちゃうこともあって。毎朝舐めるとかすれば良いんだけど、数に限りがあるからもったいなくて。

Generally, it lasts for about a day and half.

But you just saw the times I forgot to take them, so while I'm always carrying them, I only take one whenever the dose's about to run out.
But since I lost track of time while I was adventuring, there were some times in which my normal voice would come back without me noticing it. I'd have been fine if I could have taken them every morning, but since I don't have so many of them, it'd have been a waste.



近、星語の解読が仲間内で流行っています。

とはいえ、推測と憶測と当てずっぽうばかりで
正直困り果てています。
(設定でも似たような感じでしたが)
そんなとき、ふと疑問が湧きましたのでトウコウします。
星語の表記は、パブリック上では違いがわかりませんが、
アルファベットにすると大文字、小文字にわかれている部分がありますよね?
これは、単にその大文字部分を強調しているだけなのでしょうか(発音だったり、想いだったり)
そういった意味以外があるのでしたら、
御教授頂けると大変嬉しいのですが。
(大好きなフィラメント辺りに解説していただけるとアルトネリシリーズをもう一揃えしてしまうくらいに歓喜します)
(ヤタガミ)

Lately, it's gotten pretty popular among my friends to try to decipher the Planet's Language.

Or so I'd like to say, but so far we've only got guesses and conjecture.
I'm honestly very perplexed about it.
(Even though my conclusions are very similar to the info that appears in the setting book).
And it was during these attempt that this question suddenly appeared on my head and I decided to send it.
In the Planet's Language script, I don't really get the differences with the Public writing, but you know how the alphabet uses uppercase and lowercase letters?
Are the uppercase letters the parts that show where emphasis is placed? (like stressing the pronunciation in them or putting more feelings into it)
And if there's some additional meaning to it,
I'd be very glad if a professor on the matter could give me some information about it.
(And if my beloved Filament could explain this to me, I'd be so glad that I'd feel that the Ar tonelico series was complete for me)
(Yatagami)

Filament2

呼ばれて飛び出てじゃん。
というわけで、実はこのコーナー出演は初かも。
御指名ありがとう。
星語のアルファベットは、推測してくれたとおり、強調という意味合いが強いわ。実際に発音する時には、文字には含まれない情報として、アクセントや韻というものがある。それを文字にするとき、大文字で描いておくことがあるの。
実際、厳密な使用法があるわけじゃないけど、他人に伝わりやすくなるから、使うことが多いんだと思う。
でもあなた、星語を覚えるなんて強者ね。
ネイティブ並に覚えたら。私と直で会話できるわね。楽しみ。

I ran here as soon as I was called.

Though I guess this also could be the first time I appear on this corner.
Thank you for calling for me.
The alphabet in the Planet's Language works just as you guessed: the use of uppercase strengthen the letters by giving them the nuances of stress. When you're actually pronouncing them, there is also information that isn't shown in the letters themselves, like accents and rhymes; so when we're depicting that in writing, we write their corresponding letters in uppercase.
There isn't actually a strict way of usage for them, but since this makes it easier to convey information to others, I think that's the common use for it.
But I have to say you're quite a strong person because you're studying the Planet's Language.
If you ever manage to learn it to the point in which you can speak it fluently, you'll be able to speak directly with me. I'll be looking forward to that day.



ルポータル終わっちゃうのか!と思って初投稿です。しかし初投稿これってどうなんだ・・・?

ミュートのEXEC_CUTYPUMPについてなのですが、ラウドネスがあの曲を作曲したと聞きました。
しかしラウドネスはどうやって作曲したのでしょうか?
1、ファンタスマゴリアみたいにヒュムネクリスタルを用意して思いを詰め込んだ
2、完全自作
これくらいしか思いつかないのですがどうなのでしょうか?ご回答戴きたいです。
(レイメイ)

I sent this submission because I thought "The Ar Portal's ending!?" But it's still my first submission, so I'm not sure how it'll turn out...

About Mute's EXEC_CUTYPUMP/., I've heard it was Laude who composed that Song.
But how did Laude compose it?
1) He just prepared a Hymn Crystal and poured feelings into it, like it was done with Phantasmagoria.
2) He did all of it himself.
I can't think of any other ideas, so which one was it? Please tell me.
(Reimei)

Laude2

ちょちょちょとまてーい!!i
それは大きな誤解じゃぞ!!
ヒュムノス・エクストラクトはヒュムノス設計者が実際の「詩」を作曲するわけではないのだ。設計者は「想い」を封入するだけで、その想いを広げて詩にするのは、ダウンロードしたレーヴァテイルそのものなのじゃよ。
だから、ダウンロードするレーヴァテイルによって、詩は全然違うものになるのだ!
…まあ、その大元となる「想い」の物語を作ったのがワシである事は認めるがな。あれじゃよ、子を想う親の気持ちってやつじゃ。

W-W-Wait a second theeere!!

That is a tremendous misunderstanding you have!!
Hymmnos Extracts aren't made by the Hymmnos designer making an actual "Song" and placing it into the crystal. The designer only seals "feelings" into the crystal, and the one who develops them into a proper Song is the Reyvateil who Downloads it.
Therefore, the Song is an entirely different thing that is generated by the Reyvateil Downloading the crystal!
...Well, I'll admit I'm the one who made the story that serves as the main part of the "feelings" sealed in it. Those are just the feelings of a father who cares deeply for his daughter.



クサピーコというのは我々の物理学でいうところの「最初の1」ということになるのでしょうか?

だとするなら、現在エクサピーコは存在しない、或いは大部分が拡散し弱化していると考えても差し障り無いのでしょうか?
又、エクサピーコには全てを消滅、エネルギーに還元し、再び「最初の1」に戻ろうとするブラックホールのような力が(企図しているかは別として)働いているのでしょうか?
とても、気になります。
気になり過ぎて、夜しか寝られません、教えてください。
(ヤタガミ)

Would EXA_PICO by something like the place that's called the "Point of Origin" in the physics of our world?

If that's the case, then EXA_PICO wouldn't exist any more, or maybe it would have mostly spread throughout the universe and weakened as a consequences of it, right? No offense intended.
Again, if EXA_PICO had disappeared entirely, its energy would have returned to the origin, creating a power that would work like a black hole (unless it planned to work differently from that) that would return everything again to the "Point of Origin", correct?
I'm very curious about this.
I'm fact, I'm so curious that I can't even sleep at night, so please tell me.
(Yatagami)

Ar Ru10

貴方達の物理学の常識と、この世界の波動科学の常識は、少し違うかも知れないわね。
エクサピーコは今でも存在するわ。でも、存在するかしないかを「貴方達の目に見える物体として有るか無いか」で判断するなら、「存在しない」と言わざるを得ないかも知れない。
エクサピーコは、この宇宙そのもの。そう、言うならば、オリカもミシャもライナーも、全員エクサピーコであり、アルシエルである。そしてソルでもあるの。
アルシエルはソルでありエクサピーコであり、ソルはエクサピーコであるわけ。
エクサピーコは、全ての定常波と全ての導体波を持つ存在で、エクサピーコの定常波は私達の身体を作っているわ。
例えば、アルシエルは確かに、物質的に見れば「アルシエル」であって「私」ではない。でも、そもそもアルシエルを「アルシエル」というくくりで見ているのは人間の偏見であり、実際はアルシエルは「石」や「木」や「金属、鉄」などで出来ていて、それらはたまたま私達には「ガッチリとくっついて」いて、生きているようには見えず、私達の身体とは違う「1つ」に見えるだけ。
これが波動科学の大原則よ。だから、エクサピーコの消滅は、イコール私の消滅でもある。
わかってもらえる?

There might a slight difference between the common sense used in the physics from your world, and in the common sense used in the Wave Science of this world.

EXA_PICO still exists currently. But if you use the process of deciding "if it exists or not by if it's visible to the naked eye or not", obviously you can't help saying it "doesn't exist".
EXA_PICO is this universe itself. Yes, in a way of speaking, Aurica, Misha and Lyner all are EXA_PICO, as they are also Ar Ciel herself. And they are Sol as well.
Ar Ciel is Sol, and also is EXA_PICO. And Sol is EXA_PICO too.
EXA_PICO is the being that holds all the Static and Dynamic Waves that exist on this universe, which means EXA_PICO's Static Waves are what give birth to our physical bodies.
For example, if we look at Ar Ciel from the physical standpoint, it's obvious that "Ar Ciel" isn't "me". However, that is only looking at Ar Ciel as a bump of mass called "Ar Ciel" by using the prejudiced view of the humans, as actually Ar Ciel is composed of things such has "stones", "trees" and "metals", all of which are "solidly and tightly part of us", and if we ignore if they are either alive or not, we could come to see they are different "individuals" from our body.
This is one of the grand principles of Wave Science. Therefore, if EXA_PICO was annihilated, I would be annihilated as well.
Do you understand?



ネルギーについての質問です。

ファンタスマゴリアやレプレキアのような、多くの人々の
思いによる詩魔法のエネルギー量は加算なのですか? 乗算なのですか?
つまりは100人いたら100回足すのか、100回かけるのかです。
(ニャゴ)

I have a question about energy.

Is the Song Magic energy gotten by the feelings of many people, like in the case of Phantasmagoria and Replekia, added? Or is it multiplied?
In other words, if there were 100 people, would it add the energy of 100 people as is, or multiply the amount of energy gotten from them by a factor of 100?
(Nyago)

Shurelia0

実際には様々な要因で変化します。
一緒に謳っている人同士の想いの通じ合いの度合によっても倍率は変わりますし、当然人数によっても増大します。
ただ、いくら人数が増えても、それぞれの思いがバラバラでは、2倍にすらならないこともあります。
逆に、3人の謳い手がそれぞれの思いをガッチリ通じ合わせていたら、3倍処では済まないほどのパワーの増幅もあります。
ですから、一概に加算か乗算かで回答することは出来ないのです。

It would actually change depending on several factors.

The amplification will change depending on how much the people singing together are managing to get the same feeling across to each other, and of course, it will also get amplified depending on the number of people involved.
However, no matter how much people are singing together, the amplification can't go beyond a factor of two when their feelings are scattered and flying around in all directions.
On the other hand, if only three people are singing but are managing to get their feelings across each other in a perfect way, the power of their Song will get amplified by much more than a factor of three.
Therefore, it's impossible to state as a general rule that the power will be added or multiplied.

Editor's Postscript

Tks header 06

「ありがとうアルポータル」が開催されました。
突然のアルポータル更新終了宣言で、皆さんの中でも色んな想いが有ると思います。私の中にも、そんないろんな想いが溢れてきています。5年という期間は決して短いものではありません。そんな長い間、アルポータルやアルトネリコとお付き合いしていただいた皆様には、本当に感謝の言葉もありません。残りあと1ヶ月。私も全力で皆さんと過ごしたいと思いますので、どうか最後までよろしくお願い申し上げます!
(土屋)

We have opened up the "Thank you, Ar Portal!" section.

As the announcement that we'll be terminating the Ar Portal updates was so sudden, I think everyone must be having to cope with all sorts of feelings. And I'm also getting all sorts of feelings brimming out from myself. After all, the five years we spent together weren't a short amount of time by any stretch of imagination. That's why I have no words that can convey how grateful I am that all you all decided to keep us company through the Ar Portal and Ar tonelico for such a long time. We still have a month left. I still want to use all my energies to spend as much time as possible with you all, so please continue supporting us until the end!
(Tsuchiya)

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