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こんにちは、土屋です。
何となく涼しくなってきた今日この頃ですが、今年は本当に暑かったです。そしてアルポータルもとても熱い夏でした。本日、ニコニコキャラ放送の総集編が有りますので、是非そちらの方もご覧下さいませ。

Hello everyone, Tsuchiya here.
While somehow today has been quite cool, this year has been quite hot. It has also been quite a hot summer for the Ar Portal, too. Today we posted the NicoNico Character Broadcast Highlights, so make sure to check them out.

編纂室につきまして、1つお詫びがございます。前回回答した中で「omness」に関して間違った回答をしておりました。私の方で整理できておらず、回答はまた後日改めてさせていただきます。大変申し訳ありませんでした。

As for the Technical Data Room, I have an apology to make: among the questions I answered in the previous issue, I made a mistake when answering which was the meaning of the word [omness]. This happened because I haven't been able to sort out all my data, and I'll be correcting it at some later date. I'm very sorry for this.

さて、今回も17個ほどの質問に回答いたしました。今回もいつも通りに質問させていただいております。ただ、今回ヒュムノスの単語に関する質問が何件かありましたが、大変申し訳ないながら見送らせていただきました。私の理由で恐縮なのですが、上記の件もそうですが、私自身がヒュムノス単語を整理してからでないとまた間違った事を回答してしまう危険性が有る為です。こちらの都合で大変申し訳ありません。ヒュムノサーバーについても今後整理し、登録作業を行います。いつもバタバタしており、更新が遅くなり大変申し訳ございません。出来る限り早く更新したいと考えておりますので、何卒よろしくお願い申し上げます。

Well then, this time I've answered around 17 questions, and I'll continue taking questions as always. However, due to the above-mentioned incident, I'll have to pass over any questions related to Hymmnos words for now. It's because of personal reasons, of course, but similarly to that incident, there is a risk that I'll end answering these questions erroneously until I've managed to sort out the Hymmnos word data. I'm very sorry about it. As for the Hymmnoserver, I'll be sorting out and registering new data in it from now on. I'm very sorry for all this commotion, and for letting the updates on it stagnate for so long. I want to update it as soon as I can, so please, bear with me for a little more time.



ウコウスフィア第56回で六角板試験に関する質問がありましたが、
RT質を持っていても発症しない場合、男性は六角板に反応するのに、女性には反応しない理由について詳しくおねがいします。
クローシェ様のCSLV4では「男性のY染色体がRTの発症を阻害する」とラウドネス先生が授業でおっしゃっていたので、
男性保因者の場合はY染色体によって発症はしないが、六角板には反応する。
女性保因者の場合は別の理由で発症せず、さらに六角板にも反応しない。ということでしょうか。
(コーン)

I want to ask for some details on a question regarding the Hexagonal Plate Test that was posted in Toukousphere #56, about the reasons why it won't react to women, but it'll do to men, even if both have Reyvateil genes but don't end up awakening.
In Lady Cloche's Lv. 4 CS Teacher Loude explained in his class that [the Y-Chromosome inhibites the awakening of Reyvateil abilities in men], so the Hexagonal Plate can still react with them, even if their Y-Chromosome doesn't allow them to awaken.
But in the case of women, if they don't awaken for any other reasons, the Hexagonal Plate shouldn't show any reactions either. Isn't it like this?
(Cone)

Tks tsuchiya 01 1

すみません、説明が上手ではない為誤解を招いているかもしれません。六角板試験は潜在的なレーヴァテイル質を検出するものであり、その反応した人全てがレーヴァテイルを発症するわけではありません。すなわち、男性も女性もレーヴァテイル質を持っていれば六角板は反応します。その結果実際に発症するかどうかはわかりませんが、女性であれば大抵15年も生きているうちに一度はSHサーバーからのフックが引っかかってしまい、発症に至ります。

I'm very sorry, it seems we might have caused a misunderstanding from not writing that explanation well enough. The Hexagonal Plate Test detects the potential Reyvateil abilities of a person, which means that not everyone that got a reaction from it will necessarily awaken as Reyvateils. In other words, the Hexagonal Plate will react if they have Reyvateil genes, regardless of their gender. These results don't actually indicate when or if they will finally awaken, but in the case of women, they are mostly hooked to the SH Server once they have lived 15 or more years, which is what causes the awakening.


中ではアルシエル以外の星についてはあまり語られていませんが、天体望遠鏡や天文学のようなものは廃れてしまっているのでしょうか?
(マスカルポーネ)

We have never gotten mention of other planets aside of Ar Ciel in the games, so does this mean that things like astronomy and telescopes have died out?
(Mascarpone)

Tks tsuchiya 01 1

もちろん第一紀では、惑星外についてもかなり研究が盛んでした。ただそれらは地球の天文学や宇宙物理学とは全く異なるもので、H波やD波を根源とした波動科学に基づいた研究でした。とはいえ、観測方法などは地球とあまり違いはありません。アルトネリコ1の世界には「天文台」という場所が相当上の方に有ったかと思いますが、高々度における天体観測が求められていた事がよくわかります。それらの望遠鏡は、波動を計測するシステムが含まれている点で、光学的なものだけではなく、現在の我々におけるところのVLA(電波望遠鏡群)のような機能も持ち備えていたと思われます(もちろん計測する波は電磁波ではありませんが)。

それに比べると第二紀以降では生きるのに精一杯で、宇宙に関しての関心はそれ程高まりませんでした。もちろん惑星外脱出などを考案した人もいましたが、それ以前にアルシエル外の生存圏が発見されていなかった事もあり、現実的な施策として見られる事はなかったと言われています。

Of course that, during the First Era, researching about other planets was quite popular. However, said research was completely different from the astronomy and astrophysics we have here at the Earth, as it was grounded in Wave Science and its roots: the H-Waves and D-Waves. Still, their observation methods weren't different at all from the ones we have here. For example, in the Ar tonelico 1 world, there was a place called the [Observatory], which had all the ideal qualities sought by the astronomers due to being located at a very high altitude. Its telescope also has wave measuring systems integrated inside itself, so it wasn't only an optics instrument, but it also was equipped with functions similar to the ones the VLA (a radio telescope array) of our world has (of course, the waves measured by it aren't mere electromagnetic waves).
Compare this to the Second Era and later periods, in which the people were so focused in just staying alive that the interest in all matters related to the space pretty much waned. Of course, there were people that even thought of escaping to other planets, but since it wasn't possible to discover other places that served as a safe haven for life like Ar Ciel is, these propositions were regarded as impossible by the pragmatic policies of the time.


んにちは
星巡りの事で質問なのですが、3の設定資料集に簡易相性占いで、2人が同じ位置の場合の説明がありませんでした。
同じ位置の場合、二人の相性はどうなるんでしょうか?
(空色まんさく)

Hi.
I have a question about Starcircling: in the Simple Way of Divining Compatibilities from the Ar tonelico 3 Setting Encyclopedia, there wasn't any explanation about the fortune that two people would have if they ended having the same Positions of Fate. If that happened, what would be their compatibility?
(Sky-Blue Hazel)

Tks tsuchiya 01 1

確かに同位置について抜けておりました。

同位置は「同位極」と言われ、基本的には「正妻対極」に匹敵する程の相性の良さを持っています。ただし、正妻対極より不安定で、一つ歯車が違ってしまうと大変な泥沼になる危険性があります。「愛故に憎い」状況でしょうか。若干語弊がありますが、正妻対極が「安定した絶好相性」ならば、同位極は「エネルギーによる絶好相性」です。なかなか良い例えが見つかりませんが、正妻対極が磁石のNとSで引き合っているとすれば、同位極はN同士だがそれを軽々とくっつけるほどの力が存在している状態、という感じです。

We accidentally omitted that part.
That kind of position is called [Exact Equals], and basically it's as good as the [Complete Opposites] position. However, their relationship will be far more unstable than the one shared by a couple of Complete Opposites, since it they have the risk of having great quarrels caused by small mistakes. We could call it a situation of "I hate you because I love you". It might be the wrong way of saying this, but if Complete Opposites is "an ideal, stable relationship", Exact Equals is "an ideal, energetic relationship". I can't really find any good examples for how it would be in the constellation map, but if in Complete Opposites one of the members of the relationship has his/her position at the north and the other at the south, in Exact Equals both would have their positions at the north, so it feels that there is some sort of power tying them together.


ュムノスについて質問が少々。

  1:EXEC_LINCA/.は「塔と接続する」という効果を持っていたと思いますが、使われたものはどういった目的での接続に使われる予定だったのでしょうか?実はシュレリア様にインストールする用だったりとか。

2:AT2には、EXEC、METHODの二種のMETAFALICA/.、EXEC_HAIBANATION/.とMETHOD_IMPLANTA/.のようにラプランカ神話をモチーフにした詩が存在しますが、
EXEC→マオがいない、苦難的
METHOD→マオがいる、希望的
という分離した状態になっています。AT2におけるテーマの「合体詩魔法(ヒュムノス)」が主な実情と考察しますが、設定的な事情となるとどういった理由があるのでしょうか?EXECは苦難的側面を主としているあたりクロガネ博士の主張(端的に言えば「負の感情が大きな力を生む」)に近いものを感じますが・・・。
というわけでお願いいたしますm(_ _)
(どっかの赤枠)

I have some questions about a few Hymmnos.

1) I think that EXEC_LINKER/. was supposed to have the effect of [directly connecting the user to the Tower], but what was the goal for having planned someone to connect to it? Was it actually a Song that should have been Installed into Lady Shurelia?


2) In AT2, we have all the Songs that were based from the myth of Rhaplanca: EXEC and METHOD METAFALICA/., EXEC_HIBERNATION/. and METHOD_IMPLANTA/., but:
In the EXEC parts, Maoh wasn't present, and they were filled with suffering.
In the METHOD parts, Maoh was present, and they were filled with hope.
Considering that AT2 also was the game in which the concept of [Dual Songs (Hymmnos)] was present the most, was there any reasons why these Songs were made this way? The fact that the EXEC songs were filled with so much suffering feels pretty similar to the theories that Professor Kurogane (shortly put: [negative emotions can bring forth a great power]) had proposed... Please, explain this to me. (_ _)
(Red Frame from Somewhere)

Tks tsuchiya 01 1

1ですが、特定の使い方をする為のエクストラクトではなく、汎用メンテナンスヒュムノスといった所でしょうか。小説版アルトネリコなどを読んでいる方はイメージしやすいかと思いますが、擬似的にバイナリ野に自由に行き来出来るようになります(通常、レーヴァテイルはバイナリ野に入れば消滅します)。アルトネリコ3ドラマCD~Sideフィンネル~をお聴きになった方には、第三塔にリンカ相当のエクストラクトがあったらジャクリは苦労せずに済んだ、とお伝えしておきます。要するに、ミュールと同じようにバイナリ野を自由に徘徊できるようになります。ただし謳っている間だけです。これにより、ミュールが実際に行っていた行為と同等の事が出来ます(ただし、中で行う行為自体には当然専門知識が必要です。例えばサーバー回線に侵入出来たとしても、命令系統やプログラム、サーバーのシステムを把握していなければ何も出来ませんよね)


2ですが、それぞれ意味があります。まず「EXEC_METAFALCIA/.」ですが、ジャザがこれを設計した際に、あまりにも莫大な導力を消費する事がわかり、このままでは通常レーヴァテイルに謳わせられない、危険な詩であるという認識でいました。本来は破棄すべきものだったのですが、政治的な面や対外的な面から完成を公布しなければならない事もあって、ヒュムネクリスタルにしてしまったのです。その際に、最後の足掻きとして、「詩の想い」によってこのヒュムノスの危険性を訴える形にしています。その方法として「ラプランカ伝承を最後まで語らず、ゲームオーバーパターンにアレンジして収録」したわけです。その後インフェルがMETHODをパッチとして作ったわけですが、その際にEXECの詩の想いが上記のような形になっている事に気づき、くっつけて完全な「バルダ・ラプランカ(メタファリカの詩の想いの原型となったラプランカ伝承のタイトル)」になるように設計したというお話です。 ハイバネーションとインプランタの場合、大元のラプランカ伝承である「ゾダル・ラプランカ」が、前半で人間が滅亡し、後半が復活するというお話になっている事を利用して、皮肉も込めて前半だけを使っているものです。本来の「ゾダル・ラプランカ」の教義は「人類は堕落したが、強い正の想いはそれらの人達を赦し、世界を再生する事が出来る」というものですが、ハイバネーションはその教義を皮肉り「人類は堕落して、強い正の想いも期待できないので滅亡して終わり」という感じで前半だけ採用したわけです。ちょっとしたブラックジョークですね。インプランタはそれに対し、元の世界に戻すという想いを込めて、後半を詩の想いにしています。

1) Linker wasn't an Extract designed to be used in any special way, and it's actually a generic maintenance Hymmnos. It might be easier to imagine it if you have read the light novels, but basically it would allow you to freely pseudo-enter into the Binary Field (as Reyvateils would die if they entered normally to the Binary Field). If you have heard the Ar tonelico 3 Drama CD ~Side Finnel~, there is even a point in which Jakuri said that she could have sorted out things easily if she had an equivalent Extract to Linker for the Third Tower. Still, to put it shortly, this Song basically allows the singer to freely roam through the Binary Field, similarly to how Mir did it. However, that's only during the time it's being sung. Therefore, it would allow her to do the exact same things that Mir could do (however, naturally she would need to have a lot of technological knowledge in order to do anything there. For example, even if you were capable of invading the circuitry lines of a server, you wouldn't be able to do anything if you didn't know anything about its command structure, programs and systems).

2) There is a meaning for each one of these. To begin with, when [EXEC_METAFALICA/.] was being planned by Jaza, she knew that a Song of this magnitude would require enormous amounts of Symphonic Power and couldn't be sung by any normal Reyvateil, prompting her to regard it as a dangerous song that should be sealed away. However, although she didn't tell anyone about this Song, might they have been members of the political sphere or close friends, she still made it into a Hymn Crystal. At that moment, when she was still having second thoughts about it, she put this part of Rhaplanca's story as the [Feelings of the Song] in order to warn against how dangerous it was. Said warning was "I won't tell the legend of Rhaplanca to the end, and I'll rearrange it to make it look like a game over screen". Later on, when Infel appeared and began making the METHOD part as a patch for it, she noticed the shape Jaza had given to the feelings of the EXEC part, and attached the rest of the story, so it would end up being the entire [varda Rhaplanca (the title of the Rhaplanca legend that was used as the basis for the feelings of the Metafalica songs)].
In the case of Hibernation and Implanta, it was mostly due to the structure of the line of the legend of Rhaplanca that was used here: [zodal Rhaplanca], in whose first half humanity is annihilated, and revived in the second half, and was out of cynicism that only the first half was used for Hibernation. The actual lesson given by [zodal Rhaplanca] is the following: [humanity may have corrupted themselves, but strong feelings of righteousness can forgive them and restore the world], but in Hibernation, since only the first half of the story was used, the lesson was changed to [humanity is corrupted, and they will end leading themselves to their own destruction, from which no hope or righteous feelings can bring them back]. It could be said that some black comedy made its way into it. In contrast, Implanta contains feelings of wanting to return the world to normal, which is why the second half of the myth was used for it.


んにちは、いつもお疲れ様です。
私からの質問はヒュムノスエクストラクトについてです。
ヒュムノスエクストラクトは塔を制御するプログラムと、ダウンロード時に展開する想いをあわせて作られるそうですが、それではどうして感情がない(とされていた)ミュールがシルヴァホルンの奥で詩を紡がされていたのでしょうか?
プログラムの方は問題ないとしても、感情がないのでは強い想いを生み出すことが難しいように思います。
実際、彼女はあの場所でどのような作業を行っていたのでしょうか?
(マトウィ)

Hi, thank you as always for all your hard work.
Today, I have a question about Hymmnos Extracts.
As I understand them, when they are created, the feelings that are to be unfolded upon being Downloaded are combined with a program for controlling the Towers, but how did a (supposedly) emotionless Reyvateils like Mir craft Songs in the depths of the Silver Horn?
Making the program wouldn't be a problem, but I think that it'd be extremely hard for her to create strong feelings if she was completely emotionless.
Just exactly what kind of duty she had in that place?
(Mathowi)

Tks tsuchiya 01 1

本来ミュールに課されていた「詩を紡ぐ」という使命は、どちらかと言えば「ヒュムノス・ワード」の方をさせたかったのです。それを彼女の能力が「ヒュムノス・エクストラクト」を紡いでしまったという感じです。感情の乏しいレーヴァテイルは、爆発的な力を生み出す事は出来ませんが、コンディションが安定していて軒並み平均以上の詩を謳えます。それにプラスして、通常のレーヴァテイルより様々な部分を(物理的、精神的に)カットしクオリティを上げる事で、平均的にすさまじい力を出せるように設計されています(通常のレーヴァテイルがラジカセだとすると、ミュールは100万円以上する高級アンプ、といった感じでしょうか)。すなわち、ミュールとして見た場合、さほど強い想いを抱いているわけでもないのですが、結果的に通常のレーヴァテイルが紡ぐ強い部類の詩と同等の詩を紡げるわけです。当時のネオエレミアの研究者もやはり、感情の欠乏による想いを紡ぐ際のハンディキャップを問題視していましたので、それがどの程度のものなのかを検証する為に紡がせていたわけです。

The mission that Mir had originally assigned was [crafting songs], which if I had to say it, it would be making them in the same way as all other Reyvateils make [Hymmnos Words]. In other words, she has the ability of making up [Hymmnos Extracts]. A Reyvateil with scarce emotionality isn't capable of demonstrating an explosive power, but since her emotional condition is always kept stable, she generally can sing Songs with a reliable level of power that surpasses the average of other Reyvateils. Additionally, since several parts (both physical and mental) that normal Reyvateils have were removed from her to raise her quality, she is designed to always exhibit an absurd amount of power (in other words, if we compare normal Reyvateils to radio-cassette players, Mir would be a model with an extremely high-quality amplifier with a price tag of beyond a million yen). In other words, if we focus on Mir, while it means that she won't be capable of getting particularly strong emotions, the results she will exhibit when it comes to crafting strong Songs won't be different at all from those crafted by normal Reyvateils. This also means that the researchers of Neo Elemia at the time considered that the handicap brought by a lack of emotions at the time of crafting feelings into Song was a problem, and they made her craft Songs in order to find out how much of a handicap it would pose.


twitterのハーヴェ様企画も終わってしまいましたね。
最後の想音なしのHartes yorに驚いたのですが……前の4行では自分自身をアルシエルに召喚してる事から、yor=ハーヴェスターシャと考えるとナルシストに?!
(野暮なこと言ってすいませんでした)

Looks like the Twitter Lady Harvy project has finished, huh?
Still, I was quite surprised by the Emotion Sound-lacking "Hartes yor" she posted at the end... Since the four lines she posted before it were the spell for summoning someone into Ar Ciel, does the "yor" mean that Harvestasha is a narcissist!?
(Sorry if I Say Dumb Things)

Tks tsuchiya 01 1

送還命令は、その一つ前の単語で終わっております。最後のセリフである「Hartes yor」は皆さんに向けて放っているものですね。演出的には、例えばファンタジー世界において異世界に旅立つ子が、転送呪文を唱え終わって、消えてしまう瞬間に「ありがと…」などと呟いてそのままふっと消えてしまう、その最後の言葉にあたるものです。「Hartes yor」自体は、そういった「ありがと」や「親愛なる皆さんへ」「大好き」みたいな意味合いで使われる事が多いです。

She wanted to finish off with a single word before getting sent back home. That line at the end, [Hartes yor], was a farewell directed to everyone. Think of it as if it was a movie, in which she is a girl traveling from a fantasy world to a different one, and in the instant she begins disappearing after reciting the teleport spell, she mutters something like "thank you..." before fully going away. Well, that's the impression we wanted to give with that last word. As for [Hartes yor] itself, it can be used with several nuances, such as for saying "thank you", "to all of you, my dears" and "I love you".


回はお答えいただきありがとうございます。今回はヒュムノスについてです。ヒュムノスコンサート「咲夜琉命」でEXEC_EP=NOVA/.を戦闘曲とおっしゃっておられましたが、ヒュムノス・エクストラクトはシステム的な面が強いとのこと。つまり、ヒュムネクリスタルに込められた思いをレーヴァテイルが受けとる時に表面上戦闘曲のような形をとるのでしょうか?それとも込められた思いが戦闘的なものなのでしょうか?資料集では分かりづらかったので教えていただけると嬉しいです。
(黒土)

Thank you for the answering my question last time. This time I have a question about Hymmnos. Since EXEC_EP=NOVA/. from the [Sakiya Rumei] Hymmnos Concert was sung as a battle song, it seems that Hymmnos Extracts are quite strong from a system standpoint. In other words, upon receiving the feelings contained in a Hymn Crystal, Reyvateils get them in the shape of a superficial battle song? Or are the contained feelings quite aggressive as well? The Setting Encyclopedias were quite hard to understand on this subject, so I'd be very glad if you could explain it to me.
(Black Soil)

Tks tsuchiya 01 1

どちらかと言われれば、前者になります。ですから、詩の想いを受け取ったときの印象と、その印象に対するレーヴァテイル独自の「価値観」によって詩は創られます。特に戦闘士気を盛り上げるような指示はクリスタルの中に内包されていませんが、そのレーヴァテイルがダウンロードする際に大抵効能の説明を言葉で聞いているわけで、その心構えと相まって戦闘士気が上がるような曲になるケースが多いようです。サキも同等のプロセス(事前にどんな詩か説明を受けている、かつ、詩の想い自体には戦闘曲にするような指定はない)によってEP-NOVAを謳っていますが、結果ああなっているわけです。

If I had to choose among these option, it'd be the former. This is because upon receiving the feelings of the Song, the Reyvateil will make up the Song out from the [sense of values] she has and depending on how these values react to the impression these feelings gave her. This is especially because, although there isn't anything in the crystal that could suggest her that the Song was supposed to set the mood for battle, that Reyvateil gets a generally effective explanation of the feelings at the moment of the Download, which coupled with her readiness makes possible the multiple cases in which we have seen how many songs perfect for battle came to me. While Saki underwent this same process (she received an explanation beforehand about what kind of Song she would be receiving, yet the feelings of the Song themselves never suggested her that it was a battle song) when she sang EP=NOVA, we all know how it turned out to be.


屋先生お疲れ様です。顔グラが可愛くなられましたね。
ところでとんちんかんな質問をしますが、クラスタニアのレーヴァテイルって一部を除き量産型とでも言うのか、皆さん似た容姿(おそらくスペックも…)ですよね。アオトたち人間からすれば、見分けるのがとても難しいんじゃないでしょうか。クラスタニアの軍人さんたちは「誰が誰だか分からなくなって混乱」なんてことにならないんでしょうか?
(誰が誰だか)

Thank for all your hard work, Professor Tsuchiya. Your face seems to have gotten cuter as well, huh?
By the way, this might be an absurd question, but all the Clusternian Reyvateils, with a few exceptions, were mass produced models, and they all look similar (and most likely have similar specifications, too...) correct? If a human, like Aoto's party, looked at them, it'd be incredibly hard to tell one from the other, no? How is it that the Clusternian army doesn't fall into an state such as [we can't tell who's who, and everything becomes a total chaos]?
(Who's who?)

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現実的なお話しから入らせていただきますと、予算的な都合によりNPCレーヴァテイルは皆同じ姿になってしまっております。それを抜きにしたアルシエルの現実ではどうかと申しますと、やはり似たような外見のレーヴァテイルが多いです。これは第三紀の(というか、ハーヴェスターシャVISTAによる)レーヴァテイル製造が、大幅なコスト削減を実現したものであり、その結果としてのデメリットであります。実際第一紀の作り方で作りますと、1体あたり戦闘機一機分のコストがかかるわけですが、それを1/100以下に圧縮しています。その方法に最も寄与しているのが「完全量産個体」という部分で、いわゆる培養液や大元のH波に込める情報などを、ほぼ全く同じもので使い回しているというものです。当然出来上がる個体に個性が出るわけもなく、非常に似たような姿になるわけです。実際の所、この作り方であっても教育方針や育つ環境で全く違う個性を身につける為、それ程問題にはなっていません。ただ、フィンネルやアカネと言った特殊要素が重要な個体の場合、若干カスタマイズ部分が多くなる為、コスト圧縮は1/10程度となってしまいます。

本題に戻りますと、クラスタニアの中でも見間違いは有ります。ですが、親しい人はさすがに分かるようです。人間から見たら、みんな同じように見えるでしょう。

Realistically speaking, all of the NPC Reyvateils ended having the same appearance because of budget problems. Now omitting this, and explaining it as it actually occurs in Ar Ciel, there are indeed several Reyvateils with similar appearances. This is because during the Third Era (in other words, during Harvestasha VISTA's rule), a Reyvateil creation system with extremely lowered costs was implemented in Clusternia, which had this as its demerit. In comparison to the methods used to create Reyvateils during the First Era, and putting them in similar terms to the construction of a fighter for the air forces, this ended reducing the production costs for Reyvateils by beyond a 1/100. As for the parts of this method that were used for the creation itself of [all these mass produced subjects], these are the nurturing capsules and the information contained in the large bundles of base H-Waves inserted into their Triangular Nuclear Loops, which means that these were pretty much used for all of them. Naturally, this doesn't mean that all of the Reyvateils created by this method lack individuality, but it caused them to have extremely similar appearances. And actually, even if they all were created in this way, since they have different training and raising environments for the creation of their own individual personalities, this didn't cause major problems. Still, in the case of Reyvateils like Finnel and Akane, who were given special components due to their important roles, and also had major number of customizations performed in them, the costs for their production were only reduced to a 1/10.
Returning to the main topic, there are actually problems of mistaken identities inside Clusternia, but people that have known each other for a long time can distinguish their friends from the rest. Of course, humans would still see them all as identical-looking people.


回の回答ありがとうございました。
また精神がらみなのですが、今回は極限病についての質問です。
発症のプロセスについては、非RT(人間)の中に含まれるRT質が、人間側の激しい感情に反響してしまい、人間の精神が維持できないレベルまで波長を乱してしまう、といった感じなのでしょうか?(結果、場合によっては幻肢痛のような痛みすら伴う)
当然最後は廃人みたいになり、精神側のリミッタが全て外れるので身体能力は化け物のようになる。というのはわかるのですが。
稀に適応してしまう人間も居る、と言うゲンガイの台詞は何かの伏線の名残でしょうか?
確かに発症時に既に人格が複数存在したり、発症時のショックで人格が増えた場合(痛みからの逃避役、または感情の制御役がいれば)人間としての枠の中に収まっていられるとは思いますが…
(しあん)

Thanks for your answers in previous issues.
I still have some questions about the mind, but this time I'll send a question about the Border Disease.
The basic process for the onset of the disease is that the RT genes that a non-RT (human) has end reacting to the intense emotions felt by the human side, which ends up generating wavelenghts that a human mind can't withstand and completely makes a chaos of it? (in other words, these cases would be accompanied by a pain similar to the phantom pain sensation).
Naturally, they'd end up as crippled people, and would end up as something similar to monsters because of these waves surpassing the limits their minds could handle. That's how I understood it.
However, since Gengai also mentioned that people rarely manage to adapt to the disease, would that be the remains of a foreshadowing for something?
Of course, I think that if these people already had a multiple personality disorder at the time of onset, and the disease itself increased the number of personalities (such as one wanting to escape from the pain while other wanted to keep the emotions under control), maybe this would keep themselves into the limit their minds could withstand, though...
(Shian)

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まず「極限病」という病自体が、「人間の病気」ではなく、アルキア研究所が植えつけた(ばらまいた)レーヴァテイル質に含まれる爆弾要素への引火であるという点をご理解ください。すなわち、極限病を発症するのはばらまかれたレーヴァテイル質に汚染された人間のみです。そして、発症する際の感情の高ぶりがどの程度かと言えば、実は現実でも一生に何度か誰でも経験する程度のものです。すなわち、ソルシエールの人間が同じくらいショッキングな事実に直面して、その場では錯乱したとしても、周りの人がなだめて、もしくは時間経過と共に落ち着いてまたいつもの生活に戻れる(トラウマにはなるかもしれませんが)レベルのものです。

極限病は、そういった、一生に数回程度発生するくらいの大きな衝撃、ただし通常の人間では後に支障を残さない程度のレベルの振れ幅に対し、レーヴァテイル質が噛みついて発症を促進させようとする、その機械的プロセスによるものです。極限病が発動した段階で、既に精神の中身は、人間として今まで構築してきた意味のあるデータ列(人間としての定常H波)に対し、バイナリ野の不規則かつ無意味なデータ列(SHサーバーから外れたアドレスのH波領域のデータ)がOR算されてしまっている状態です。当然記憶も精神も吹っ飛びます。
「適応できる人間がいる」というのは、宝くじ並みの当選確率で、その不定なSHサーバーアドレスが、実際に存在するSHサーバー内を指した場合を言います。その場合は通常のレーヴァテイル発症とほぼ同じプロセスを踏み、急激なSHサーバーのミラーリングが行われ、3日もしないうちに元の精神状態に戻ります。ただしそれも、ガベージコレクションなどにより消されてしまったり、HCS(ヒュムネコードサーバ)に新たに登録されたレーヴァテイルに上書きされてしまう可能性がある為、安全ではありません。

First, I have to explain that the [Border Disease] itself isn't a [natural human disease], but it's actually the result of a bomb that the Archia Think Tank put into the Reyvateil genes they planted (disseminated) in Sol Cluster catching fire, and that is how you should understand it. In short, this disease can only happen on people that were contaminated by these disseminated Reyvateil genes, and when we say that their emotions are stirred high enough for the onset of the disease, that is actually something that we all also experience several times during our lives in the real world. In other words, an event of a level such that a person in Sol Ciel would face extreme shock, and he or her might be thrown off for a while, but either the people around them will calm them down, or they will calm themselves down with the passing of time, and return to their normal lives (although it might end up becoming a trauma of some type).
The Border Disease is on the other hand caused by the mechanical process that triggers the awakening of the Reyvateil genes, which only gets promoted by that same kind of events that we experience several times on our lives and cause large shocks. In contrast to normal people, for who these events would shake them but wouldn't leave any hindrances later on, this causes the Reyvateil genes to gnaw at them. At the step that actually causes the disease, the contents of their minds have underwent an OR calculation, and ended replacing all of the significant data lines that structured their minds as humans (their human Static H-Waves) with chaotic, meaningless data from the Binary Field (H-Wave region data from Addresses that exist outside of the SH Server's range). Naturally, this ends completely blowing out their memories and mind.
As for the phrase saying that "there are people who managed to adapt to it", it actually means they were chosen in a way similar to a lottery, and their indefinite SH Server Addresses actually ended pointing to an Address that actually exists. In these cases, they would undergo a process identical to a normal Reyvateil awakening: their minds would suddenly get mirrored into the SH Server and in around three days they would return to their normal state. However, since their addresses could get deleted by the Garbage Recollection processes of the SH Server, and could get overwritten whenever a new Reyvateil was registered into the HCS (the Hymn Code Server), they aren't still safe.


と、思ったことを幾つか~。
ファン参加型の企画やイベントはやはり東京近辺でしか出来ないのでしょうか?古いファンの私としては是非とも参加して行きたいと思うところですが、こちらにもこちらの都合がありまして。地方のファンにはガッカリされている方が多いのではないでしょうか。以前にも書いたような…。(こういうのって古参のファンとか減らしますよ?)
次に、あるアルポータル内では毎年恒例のファン大感謝プレゼントについて、レアなものが非常に多く、応募したいもののサポーターの方のIDは所持していないんですよねぇ。市民IDはありますが毎度ながら残念です。…ていうか、在庫あるんならショップに並べて下さいよっ!…っていうか、再販して下さいっ!!(余ったら身を削ってでも私が全て購入しますし!なんちて、半分くらい本気です)
あと、DLCも一通り購入してみた感想ですが、もうなんていうか…。どうせなら戦闘で見た目が変わる着せ替えコスチュームとか、アカネのPT参戦とかとか期待してたんですけど。もうああいうぐだぐだシナリオのコンテンツはお腹いっぱいっていうのが正直な感想です(CV入ってなかったですし~)。ぁ、ハーヴェ様パッチの方は案外面白かったですよ?
最後に、ショップでまとめて予約購入すると届くのに時間が掛かるのでアンケとかには間に合いませんよね?まぁ、バラで買えって事なのでしょうが…(笑)
では、今回はこの辺で。
(朔兎)

I've been thinking about quite a few things~.
Wouldn't it be possible for you to organize some of the projects and event in which the fans can participate in areas closer to Tokyo? As a longtime fan, I've always wanted to go to one of them, but after all, this is the place where I live. Wouldn't that also be disappointing for other fans in the area? I've even written the same thing a few times before... (Or I'm meaning with this that the number of longtime fans has decreased?)
Next, about the presents that are given during the annual Fan Appreciation Festival in the Ar Portal, there are many rare items, but as much as I want to, I can't participate because I don't have an ID. I even have a Citizen ID, so it's pretty disappointing. So... please allow us to fill the shopping cart with them! Make some resales of these items!! (Although that would reduce the number of items remaining, if there were any, I'd be willing to buy them all! By the way, that was partly serious)
Next, while I've bought each and every one of the DLC, my impressions on it... Why didn't you allow Akane to be added as a party member in battles, or add a costume change mechanic into the game? I honestly thought that the additional scenarios that the DLC added were already overdone and repetitive (and didn't even get any voiceovers~). Well, at least the patches for Harve-sama personality were kind of fun, at least.
Finally, wouldn't it be possible for the shop to ship off preordered items in the moment their release date comes? Well, at least that's how it worked in other places where I shopped... (*laughs*)
Well then, that's everything for now.
(Moon Rabbit)

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様々な御意見ありがとうございます。

1点目ですが、私も出来る限り各都市圏で行えればと思いますし、また毎回その件に関しまして遠い方には申し訳ないと思っております(私自身、地方から地方を渡り歩いている者ですので、その想いはよくわかります)。ただ、現状作品規模とその範囲内で(プロジェクト業務進行として差し支えない範囲内における)検討できるイベント事業としては、やはりどうしても1回という形になり、その場合特に理由がない場合、申し訳ございませんが、より多くの方にお楽しみいただけるように首都圏となってしまいます。ただ、特定箇所イベントに関しまして地域による有利不利が出てしまう事は以前より私も懸念しておりまして、それに代替するサービスとして試行錯誤を繰り返し、その実験的なサービス形態としまして、今回4周年祭で「ニコニコ生放送」と「Twitter」を使ったものを行いました。以前に比べ、インターネットによる情報メディアの進化により、こういった形でのイベントを行う事が出来るようになった事で、今後お住まいの地域にかかわらず、また会場の規模によらず、皆さんに等しくご提供出来る可能性が増したのではないかと思っております。

2点目のプレゼント商品ですが、プレゼントで出品している商品は、本当に私がサンプルでもらっているものを返して提供していたり、時効となったサポート在庫(不良品交換など用に保管しておく在庫であり、ガストショップが費用負担してストックいるもの)から提供しているものであり、申し訳ありませんがそれらを全部商品として棚に並べる事はできません。実際ヒュムノートなどは私はもう所持しておりませんし、他にも幾つか手元にないグッズは有ります。が、それでもやはり欲しいという皆さんの為に、私が持っているよりも大切にしてくれる方にお贈りした方が良いと判断して抽選でお届けしております。仮に販売したとしても、全部合わせても10個にも満たない商品がほとんどで、それこそ皆さんに公平な機会を作る事は難しいと思われます(恐らく販売開始から数分で売り切れると思いますので)。

3点目ですが、是非サポーターIDをご登録いただけますと幸いです。無料ですし、「さぽているLite」として登録していただければホームページをお持ちでなくとも登録は可能です。ただ、元々のこの「サポーターIDによる抽選会」の主旨は「ホームページなどでアルトネリコを告知していただけたり宣伝していただいている皆様への感謝と還元」という想いから行うようになったという点もご理解いただけますと幸いです(その後、公平性を増す為にLiteというシステムを作り、サポーターズレビューのように「Lite不可枠」を設けるなどしています)。

  4点目ですが、DLCにつきまして、ご期待に添う事が出来ず申し訳ございません。ただ、今回に関しましては、マニュアルにも最後の方に記載しておりましたとおり、バイナリ野シナリオである事は制作時に確定していたものでしたので、それ以外のコンテンツに関しましてはシステム制約上、本作品におきましては現状予定はございません。今後のプロジェクトに関しましては、今回いただきました御意見等を参考に、より皆様にご満足いただけるDLCを発表したいと思います。

5点目ですが、ガストショップのシステム制約により、キャンペーンとの整合性がとれないときがあり申し訳なく思います。ガストショップのシステム改善も含めまして、検討させていただきたいと思います。

Thank you very much for all your opinions.
For your first point, I'd like to do such events in all the cities if it were possible, but given the distance we would have to move for each of them, I don't think we're able at the moment of doing so. I'm sorry (as I'm also the kind of person who likes going from a place to other, I can understand these feelings pretty well).
However, considering all the projects in which we are working at the moment, and the scale they have, there might be possibility of doing such an event we can examine in some way (as long as it doesn't interfere with any of our other projects) in order to allow the people from the capital to have fun in much more ways, although unfortunately, that won't be happening for now, as we don't have a reason for carrying out something like this. Still, I've been considering that doing events at specific places carries both advantages and disadvantages, and by coming up with ways to cater to our fans through trial and error, in many experimental ways, I decided to use both [NicoNico Live] and [Twitter] for our fourth Fan Appreciation Festival. It's only thanks to the advancement of the information technologies and the Internet that we can now have such events, and so I hope we can continue offering more bonuses to our fans equally, regardless of our location or their places of residence.
For your second point, the presents we're handing out in each festival are actually samples I took for myself back when they were first released and I decided to return and distribute them to the fans, and although some of these items have gotten somewhat old since then (we even had several conversations on if these items were inferior to the other ones, the Gust Shop would have to pay all the expenses that would have caused), I'm very sorry, but I'm afraid that many of these items can't get restocked anymore. Actually, I don't even have a copy of items like the Hymmnote anymore, but there are a few other items that I still have at my disposition. However, since everyone out there still wishes to own some of them, and I think many of them would take care of these items in an even better way that I could, I decided to give them off as gifts in a raffle. And even if we actually put them for sale, these items are so few that they don't even reach the tens, so that is why I decided that it'd be hard to give them off in an impartial way (and moreover, if we had put them for sale, they most likely would have gotten out of stock in just a few minutes).
For your third point, it would be great if you registered a Supporter ID. It's free, and allows you to register a [Supporteil Lite] for your website at no cost. Still, the point and feelings we put in the [Supporter ID Raffle] was to [Thank and give back something to everyone who announced and publicized Ar tonelico in their websites], so I'd be very glad if you could understand that (and after that, we created the Lite system in order to increase the fairness of the results, which was configured similarly to the [Non-Lite Border] system we used for the Supporter's Reviews).
For your fourth point, I'm sorry that the DLC didn't meet your expectations. Still, and while I wrote something similar at the end of the manual, the Binary Field scenarios were created from the time in which we were still working in the game, so we unfortunately don't have any plans to add anything else to the game due to system limitations. We will take in consideration the opinions you gave us about this project, and use them to make DLC that will satisfy everyone in the future.
For your fifth point, I'm very sorry, but we can't do that without compromising the consistency with the campaigns because of how the Gust Shop systems are structured. I'll be examining the Gust Shop systems in the future to see how we could improve them, and what we could add to them.


レンジングした人間に子供を作らせたりはしたのでしょうか?また、子供を作った場合その子供には障害があったりするのでしょうか? (音緒)

People who have underwent Cleansing can still have children? And in case they did, these children wouldn't be born with impairments?
(Neo)

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まず根本的に、人間の絶対数を減らす事を善とするクラスタニア(ハーヴェスターシャVISTA)の方針上、絶対的に子供は作らせません。もし仮に子供が出来た場合、その子供に障害は無いと思われます。理由は、クレンジング自体は脳の機能を後天的にブロックしているものであり、遺伝子操作などによるものではない為、子供に対して悪影響は出にくいと思われる為です(ただ、私も専門ではありませんので、出るかもしれません)。

Let's begin with the basics: as Clusternia's (Harvestasha VISTA's) policies had the final goal of completely eradicating humanity, the ones that underwent this process won't absolutely have children. But if they hypothetically had children, I don't think these children would have any impairments. The reason for this is that Cleansing itself only blocks the further development of mental faculties, and since that doesn't affect genes in any way, that shouldn't be able to cause any harmful influence to their children (of course, I'm not an specialist on the matter, so such problems could still arise).


ウコウスフィアで不採用だったものをこちらに送らせていただきます。
オボンヌって結局どんなお菓子なんですか?昔のトウコウスフィアでのライナーの説明では「絹のような舌触りのこしあん」を「きめ細かな薄皮」で包んだお菓子ということでしたが、咲のドラマCDでは「カリカリ、サクサク」という音がしていました。
実はサブレなんですか?
(丸太)

As this question got rejected at the Toukusphere, I've decided to send it here.
In the end, Funbuns are what kind of sweets? I remember Lyner explaining in a Toukousphere from long ago that they had a [silk-like bean paste] covered by a [smooth and thin crust], but in Saki's Drama CD they made sounds as if they were [crunchy and crispy].
Are they actually a kind of shortbread?
(Maruta)

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正解はライナーの説明の方です。ドラマCDの収録の時、私も大いに悩みましたが、本物に忠実に再現すると、食べるときの音が全くなくなってしまう為、ここは(効果音による)説明重視という事で、現状の音を載せさせていただいております。余談ですが、オボンヌにはサブレもありますが、ライナーは眼中に無いようです。

Lyner's explanation is correct. When we were recording the Drama CD, I was very worried about being as faithful as possible when it came to the reappearance of the real thing, and that's why we gave so much importance explaining (with these sound effects) about what kind of sounds it'd make when eaten, which is why we placed the current sounds for that scene. It might be a digression, as there's also a kind of shortbread Funbun, but Lyner pays no attention to it.


ルトネキャラ放送を楽しませてもらっています。昨日もありがとうございました。
今回の土屋さんの(黒土さんへの)ご回答で、「EXEC_EP=NOVA/.は他の人格が謳ってもにゃもになる」というお話がありました。
ですが、私の記憶違いかもしれませんが、以前のご回答でEXEC_EP=NOVA/.は星の意志であるサキが謳うからああいう軽い(?)ノリになると書かれていたように思います(星の意志から見れば、人間の悲惨な戦争もネコ同士がいがみあっているのと同じレベルというようなお話でした)
そのため、もし人間がEXEC_EP=NOVA/.を謳う場合には「重厚な、人間のストーリー」として謳われる可能性が高いわけですが、星の意志である他の人格が謳った場合でもみんな「ポップな、ネコ(にゃも)のストーリー」になってしまうのでしょうか?にゃも以外のストーリーもあるかと思ったのですが、宿主であるサキアの嗜好に影響を受けていたりするのでしょうか?
どうぞよろしくお願いいたします。
(今回も、文章に不都合がございましたらご自由に書き換えて頂ければと思います。)
(kei+)

I really enjoyed the Ar tonelico character broadcasts. Thanks for yesterday's show!;br: This time, I'd like an explanation about an answer you have the previous issue, Tsuchiya-san (the one to Kurotsuchi-san), that said that [Even if the other personae sung EXEC_EP=NOVA/., it'd still become nyamo].
However, and I might be remembering incorrectly, in one of your previous answers, I think you said that given that Saki is a Will of the Planet, she sang EXEC_EP=NOVA/. in that light (?) way (I think it was something like "from the viewpoint of the Wills of the Planet, the tragic wars of the humans are on the same level as the quarrels of the cats).
Because of that, if a human sang EXEC_EP=NOVA/., would there be a high probability of it being sung as a [profound story of the humans], or would them end up singing the same [pop-like story of the cats (Nyamo)], like the Wills of the Planets did? Or they thought up other stories, but were influenced by the tastes of the body's owner, Sakia?
Please, answer this question.
(If you have any inconveniences with my phrasing, please feel free to change it).
(kei+)

Tks tsuchiya 01 1

前回の説明が良くなかったかもしれません。もし、サキが紡いだのではなく、フィラメントが紡いだらもっと深刻な詩になっていたと思いますが、その場合、歌い手がサキになったとしてもその深刻な詩を謳う事になります。これはどういう事かと申しますと、ヒュムノスエクストラクトが想いとして乗るのはあくまでサキア・ルメイのSHメモリ内であり、サキやフィラメントなど、個別の精神世界では無い為です。その為、一度書き込まれてしまったSHサーバー内の詩の想いは既に展開されて詩になっており、人格が変わっても(もちろんサキアが謳っても)「けんかはやめてー」になるのです。

Looks like my explanation from the previous issue wasn't good enough. That Song wasn't crafted by Sakia, and although I think that if Filament had crafted it it'd have become a much more serious song, if that had happened, it'd still be the same serious song even if Saki ended up singing it. What I mean with this is that the emotions that make up that Hymmnos Extract are after all located inside Sakia Lumei's SH Memory, as neither Saki or Filament have their own individual Soulspaces. Because of that, once the feelings of the song have been written inside the SH Server and gotten expanded to give form to its corresponding song, even if the main persona changes (of course, even if Sakia sang it), it'd still become [Could you stop fighting!?].


H波も波である以上、高周波になるほど回折性が低くなりますよね?H波が物体をどのように透過するのかは分かりませんが、高周波の波動を持つヒュムノス(メタファリカなど)は低周波のヒュムノスよりも、詠唱して塔に認識される位置が限定される(より近くでないといけなかったり、地下では謳えなかったり)ということはありますか?
(ストガー)

Since H-Waves are waves as well, does it mean that their diffraction would lower the higher frequency they had? I don't really know how H-Waves can penetrate matter, but since we have more Hymmnos with waves of extremely high frequencies (such as Metafalica) than with low frequency waves, does this mean that the Towers have a limit for the positions from which they can recognize a song (such as not being able to get too far from it, or being unable to sing a song from the underground)?

Tks tsuchiya 01 1

そもそもH波はD波とは衝突しません(特定条件下で干渉はしますが)。その為、海だろうが地下だろうが、謳えば発動します。H波が物体を透過する理由は、根本的にH波空間内にはD波(=物質)が存在しない為です(当たり前の事ですが)。H波レイヤーは視覚的に見えるD波レイヤーとは異なる場所にありますが、物理座標的には重なっています。

In the first place, H-Waves and D-Waves cannot collide (although under specific conditions, they can interfere with each other). Because of that, a song can be executed even under the sea or underground. The reason why H-Waves can penetrate matter is fundamentally because there aren't any D-Waves (matter) inside the H-Wave space (although this is a natural fact). So while the H-Wave layer exists in a different plane from the D-Wave layer that we can perceive visually, their physical coordinates can, and in fact do overlap.


星アルシエルの人格さん達は設定上(この表現は可笑しいかもしれませんが・・・)何人いるんでしょうか(出来ればグラスノインフェリア前と後に分けて答えてくれれば幸いです)?
(sasurainohito)

From a setting standpoint, how many personalities (it sounds kinda funny calling them this way...) does the Planet Ar Ciel have? (And if posible, could you also give us the numbers for how many existed before and after the Grathnode Inferia?)
(sasurainohito)

Tks tsuchiya 01 1

「八百万の神」と地球でも言いますが、それと同等にはいました。第三紀では随分と数が減っていますが、それでも人間の数ほどにはいます。

You know the expression [all of the Shinto deities] we use in the Earth, right? It's the same for this. While their numbers decreased dramatically by the Third Era, there are still a large number of Wills left.


キエンドではサキの代わりにイーヤが惑星の意志として生まれますがそれ以外のエンディングの場合はどうなるんですか?
1.サキが惑星の意志として存在する。
2.サキでもイーヤでもない意志が生まれる。
このどちらかなのでしょうか?
(音緒)

Aside of Saki's ending, in which Ieeya is born as a Will of the Planet to replace Saki, what would happen to her in the other endings?
1) Saki would continue existing as a Will of the Planet.
2) Another Will that isn't either Saki or Ieeya is born.
Which one would be?
(Sound Thread)

Tks tsuchiya 01 1

それ以外のエンディングでは、数年後(遅くとも10年後)くらいには惑星に帰る設定となっております。
Leaving out her own ending, it was decided that she would return to the Planet after a few years (around after 10 years, at the latest).


ラマCDフィンネル編のジャケットのキャラは誰が誰でしょう。説明が無かったので念のため。
(ざらめ)

Who's who in the cover of Finnel's Drama CD? I'm just making sure, since we never got an explanation about them.

Tks tsuchiya 01 1

左の緩い縦ロールのお嬢様がシュクレ、右のおデコの広い子がプリシラです。

The high-class looking girl with the loose ringlets at the left is Shukure, while the girl with the large forehead at the right is Priscilla.

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